Hi M.,

>> That's not so simple these days Matt. Okay, Rich and I both 
>> have an A4000, but neither can be said to be "standard". We
>> don't have a testbench machine that doesn't have any hacks
>> or patches on it,

> You don't have 50Mb of HD space to install 3.5 and P96 2.0 and
> a few apps?

Not on my machine. I guess Rich does because he has a larger hard drive.

>> you propose we get all these gfx cards from? 

> IIRC you already have a large stock of ageing graphics cards :)

Nope.

> I'm sure your freelancers could follow some instructions and
> play around with THEIR cards..

Oh okay then.

>> Merlin, Retina, Retina BLTZ3, Spectrum, Rainbow and so on? 

> Well obviously only the most popular cards :) I was thinking
> Picassos as a test of both, and Pixel64 and Permedia as the
> sort of "they're only supported one RTG system each but we'll
> test them anyway"

Oh dear, we don't have a Pixel64, BVisionPPC or CVisionPPC (or any of the
other cards I mentioned before).

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> "The requested document wasn't found on this server."
> 
> says it all, I think.
> Couldn't be bothered to try in a proper way.

Ha, thats nothing - I can't even get www.iwin-corp.de to work.
Nasty poxy proxy timeout error...

-curry
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> > Well obviously only the most popular cards :) I was thinking
> > Picassos as a test of both, and Pixel64 and Permedia as the
> > sort of "they're only supported one RTG system each but we'll
> > test them anyway"
> 
> Oh dear, we don't have a Pixel64, BVisionPPC or CVisionPPC 
> (or any of the other cards I mentioned before).

Huh? Are you sure?

What happened to those lovely review boards, did you have to
give them back?

Surely SOMEONE has a BVision at AF?

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Hi M.,

>> Oh dear, we don't have a Pixel64, BVisionPPC or CVisionPPC 
>> (or any of the other cards I mentioned before).

> Huh? Are you sure?

> What happened to those lovely review boards, did you have to
> give them back?

> Surely SOMEONE has a BVision at AF?

Nope. Those people who don't like advertising also don't like leaving
product with us, because the people who make the product don't make review
samples.

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   By:  Sealey, M. <mws2@leicester.ac.uk>
  Via:  'afb@egroups.com' <afb@egroups.com>
Dated:  23-Nov-99 18:22:22
About:  [afb] Re: Crashes

Hi Sealey,,

> MCP is only dodgy when idiots try and use it. People who haven't
> a clue how the hell it works and have no concept of the importance
> of 'patch order'

That's all very well and good stating that, but there isn't any readily
available documentation about which patches should or shouldn't be used,
or in what order.  There's a lot of so-called expert opinions bandied
about, but they're just as unbelievable as the next one.

Why don't you elaborate on all them, if you seem to know so much about
it?

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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   By:  Chris Andrews <ca@fortunecity.com>
  Via:  afb <afb@eGroups.com>
Dated:  23-Nov-99 02:49:48
About:  [afb] Re: Name or Email showing?

Hi Chris,

> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Sam Byford wrote:
>> reply to mails, and egroups always showed sa-@biffordyoungest.u-net.com
>> . The - should be an "m" but egroups doesnt like long email or url
>> address` for some reason.

>   It's an anti spam measure to stop spiders leeching off of the site.
> Alough that doesn't help too much because they often post to the list
> instead!

If only ISP SysAdmins acted like BBS SysOps.  Over here, if you were
stupid enough to make a pain of yourself on a BBS, chances are that
you'd be banned from every BBS in the state.

Bye,
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   By:  oruk-amigan <oruk-amigan@excite.com>
  Via:  afb <afb@eGroups.com>
Dated:  23-Nov-99 17:55:10
About:  [afb] Re: MANAGE: Last chance for OS3.5

Hi oruk-amigan,

> This is not good, Ben sent yesterday a mail entitled "MANAGE", and yet
> it seems so little have responded to the request for opinions on OS3.5.
>  As Ben said, it really just show the apathy of this group.  I thought
> we were supposed to be all a friendly bunch? :)  Seems not, so come on
> guys and gals, write Ben a comment on what you think of OS3.5 (if you
> have it, which I hope you do!), otherwise not only will we have a half
> empty page in AF, but it isn't giving a good impression of ourselves as
> a group.  Oh well.  :(

Well, how many people on here have OS 3.5?  And feel they've used it
enough to make an informed comment?

I don't have it yet, and I'm not likely to for some time.  I'm not about
to throw my money on something I don't know enough about, apart from
comments from people that it fails with certain software (software that
I'm using too).

Bye,
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   By:  Ben Vost <ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk>
  Via:  afb <afb@egroups.com>
Dated:  23-Nov-99 00:53:48
About:  [afb] Re: Reader Stuff and Mods.

Hi Ben,

>> Just a thought: can we send in mods if we can garuntee that none of the
>> samples have copyrights on them? Like if we've made them ourselves
>> (inwhich case there would be copyright, but it'd be ours to do with as
>> we wish) or we use Octamed's synth feature?

> How can you guarantee it?
>
> Want samples? Copyright free ones?
> http://www.futurenet.com/samplenet/

Gee, Ben, what about if they used these ones?

Bye,
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   By:  Matthew O'Neill <mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk>
  Via:  afb <afb@egroups.com>
Dated:  22-Nov-99 01:03:38
About:  [afb] Re: Which Graphics software ?

Hi Matthew,

>> Does anyone know of a reasonable graphics package that can handle
>> JPEGs ?

> Turbo print man.....the gfx proggy included will give excellent quality and
> above all speed. printing from it allows you to scale the image to any
> size, orientation etc and will go as fast as the printer can take it (on my
> 030 it does...)

If you're just talking printing, Studio also handles them (it'll even
handle, without problems, JPEGs that were far too big to view on the
screen).  But what sort of software is he after?  Printing, painting,
manipulating, viewers, etc?

Bye,
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Hi Tim,

> Well, how many people on here have OS 3.5?  And feel they've used it
> enough to make an informed comment?

> I don't have it yet, and I'm not likely to for some time.  I'm not about
> to throw my money on something I don't know enough about, apart from
> comments from people that it fails with certain software (software that
> I'm using too).

Well then, giuve me a comment on why you *haven't* bought it. I didn't ask
for comments on using it, merely on your opinion of it - "I'm not going to
buy it because it doesn't work with Scala", kind of thing.

All the best,
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On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:26:49 +0000, roger buckley wibbled...

> My website is now up

Oh, that reminds me; I meant to thank AF for plugging my website this
issue. "Thank you AF" :)

Now I'll just have to get it updated :/

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> Hi Sealey,,
> 
> > MCP is only dodgy when idiots try and use it. People who haven't
> > a clue how the hell it works and have no concept of the importance
> > of 'patch order'
> 
> That's all very well and good stating that, but there isn't any
> readily available documentation about which patches should or 
> shouldn't be used, or in what order.

That's because it's way too complicated for stoopid people to
work out, and they seem to think that if it doesn't work in ONE
configuration then it won't work at all.

You know the sort who put MCP and FBlit in WBStartup, the ones who
put all their patches in user-startup where they'll be about as
useful as a hatchet in your back, and just about as painful.

> There's a lot of so-called expert opinions bandied about, but
> they're just as unbelievable as the next one.

Hmm? That was a bit of a sly dig, wasn't it? :)

> Why don't you elaborate on all them, if you seem to know so much about
> it?

Elaborate on what? You want me to write an essay on the patch order of
all the main and popular patches available? Christ, that'd take me years!

You go and ask any person who I've cleaned their startup for. You ask
the people who have noticed HUGE improvements in stability, HUGE
improvements in loading times, and HUGE improvements in productivity
because of it.

And also those who it did no real good, but could possibly avert disaster
later :)

There *is* a general rule I have about patches, though, and that's if
you don't know what it does, then you shouldn't be using it.

-- 
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Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hello Ben

On 23-Nov-99, you wrote:

> I didn't ask for comments on using it, merely on your opinion of it 
 
  I certainly didn't want to buy 3.5 before a couple of months, because
I knew that it would take at least that much until more skilful users were
able to tell which commodities still worked, which didn't any longer,
and  how to adapt them...

  I was surprised to learn that my favourite dealer, who also happens
to be a good friend, had pre-oredered it for me without even asking!
  So, even though I knew I wouldn't have much time to devote to it, 
I installed OS 3.5 ( safely keeping my previous 3.1 system on a bootable 
partition, just in case ) and... it works, more or less - or should I say
more AND less?

  Windows seem to open much faster, the new icon system ( in two words )
looks good - even though I replaced most of these ugly glowicons
drawers - but I still have problems with docks, that only show after an
incredible delay on bootup.

  Something should be done to help us all average users, to clearly explain
how our previous paches can be used... or not! For example, ToolsManager
works fine for me. Some said there were troubles with MCP, I don't have any,
but I couldn't tell why!

  Patrice Champarou - 10, rue des Vignes, 91210 DRAVEIL - FRANCE

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:32:32 +0000, Ben Vost wibbled...

> Well then, giuve me a comment on why you *haven't* bought it. I didn't ask
> for comments on using it, merely on your opinion of it - "I'm not going to
> buy it because it doesn't work with Scala", kind of thing.

OK then;

"I don't have OS3.5, and currently have no intention of buying it. From
what I have seen and read about it, it doesn't appear to offer enough of
an improvement over OS3.1 to the average user. It may be more stable
than using lots of patches to achieve similar aims, but my OS3.1 system
is very stable, even after running lots of patches. When the new
features of OS3.5 (Workbench AREXX enabled seems to be the only
useful one) become in more common use, perhaps I will purchase it. Until
then, it's bottom of my shopping list."


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Hello Ben

Ok here goes...

I think OS3.5 looks brilliant, if only for the fact that it is an up-to-date
release of something for my favourite computer - the Amiga.

I like the feel it's given the os. Although there are still little tools and
things missing that you might expect to be included, these are patched up by
MagicMenu and the like. Even so, OS3.5 Makes you feel that you've bought
something new for your amiga and not just some re-release of an old
program/os.

I like the look of it, the more intuitive windows and, most of all, the userbility that has
stayed with Workbench. Personally, i don't have it yet as i am waiting for
it along with my roms, neither of which has been delivered yet. But having
looked at screenshots, ppl's opinions on irc and the review and previews in
AF and AmigaActive, i (with my great trust in my own eyes) beleive that it
is well worth the upgrade, even though i haven't seen it running on my
machine.

If anything, 35 is peanuts for a new OS when comparing to a similar orld
dominating OS that everyone knows, hates, but has to use. 

Maybe i'm just a die hard Amigan, but i absolutely love the look of OS3.5,
and i'm getting it, whether people like it is up to them.

I think if there is a downside to OS3.5, it might be the fact that it hasn't
got some of the patches that we all know and love on WB3.0/3.1 (Magic Menu
etc..) as standard. I think that because of this, it might be the reason
taht some people aren't very enthusiastic about it. They look at OS3.5 and
see their WB that they use at the moment. 

Personally, i look deeper than that. I look at the actual structure. I look
at the way it's organised. If it had've been a complete hash at making a new
os, i'm sure we could have spotted it a mile off by the way it looked.

So all in all, i would say that it is definitely worth getting, and most
definitely worth it for the money alone. If they keep up the OS and really
look for ways to make it better, i'd say that they are worthy of our
support, and what do we have to lose? 

Get a life, get OS3.5....i am.


Best Regards

Ben Chapman

Michael said, 

> Another thing that pissed me off...well maybe...it that on the Playstation
> version
> the music is held on CD tracks (so if you wanted you could play it on your
> hifi). The
> PC version had the music in a file,

The Amiga version has the music as standard CD audio tracks.


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On 21 Nov 1999, Darren wrote:

> Does anyone know of a reasonable graphics package that can handle
> JPEGs ?

yes...all the big names in gfx software on the Amiga. PPaint, ImageFX,
Photogenics etc

alan

On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Mad Matt wrote:

> As the Amiga version of wipeout2 is a conversion of the playstation
> version, would it be possible to have a multiplayer link game by
> modifying a playstation link cable.

I put this to them at the WOA. as a cable is easily made..however they
havent worked on the code...they did say there'd be a 8 player Net
support built in............

alan

On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Mad Matt wrote:

> You haven't installed the lastest flashrom by any chance have you.
> The one dated 19/10/99.
> This will slow you Blizzard card right down to less than halve its
> original speed. For me software thaught my board was clocked at 358mhz
> instead of 160mhz or 173mhz as most software sees.

errrr..you sure> I have the latest FlashUpdate and have no slowdown

alan

On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Satan wrote:

> > 140? why didnt you buy the fujitsu 20Gb IDE for that price? :-)
> >
>   If you can get a 20Gb HD for =A3140, how much is a 4Gb, at the moment
> I'm desperate for HD space!!

4Gb are still around 65 UKP

alan

On 21 Nov 1999, Kevin Fairhurst wrote:

> > 140? why didnt you buy the fujitsu 20Gb IDE for that price? :-)
> 
> Because I was after a SCSI III UW drive to attatch to my CyberStorm PPC. 

oh, that'll be the 35Gb IBM one then ;-)

alan

On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Alkis Tsapanidis wrote:

> Hi
> Digital Corruption are the biggest Amiga pirate group ever made
> They don't put any backdoors in their cracked software-trust me

how can we trust someone who has friends of dubious nature? 

almost ALL their cracked software has backdoors. 

alan

On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Ben Chapman wrote:

> I've owned Amiga's since 1986 and currently have a collection of 10. If
> anyone wants to contact me about anything, feel free.

10??!? :-)
 
where do you live in the UK?

alan

On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Ben Chapman wrote:

> It's a good thing i run RC5 for ppc.... gives me an excuse to leave it on
> all day. :-)

:-) hope to see you up in the top freeserve stats list soon then :-)

alan

On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Mike Quinlan wrote:

> my 060 appears to have random crashes.
> 
> It will get a requester, program xxxxxxxx failed, suspend/reboot etc.

are you running an CPU patches/maths patches etc?
 
otherwise, if these crashes are very random, its power or heat

alan

Hi,

 
> "I don't have OS3.5, and currently have no intention of buying it.
From
> what I have seen and read about it, it doesn't appear to offer enough
of
> an improvement over OS3.1 to the average user. 

Fair comment, so I suppose you're waiting for, say 3.6, 3.7 or 4.0. 
But, without the support for OS 3.5, those things you're waiting for
will sadly not appear because the sales targets were not met.  I am not
standing hear saying that 3.5 will change your life, but I am saying
that if you don't support 3.5, then we'll never see the improvements
officially from Amiga *ever* again.  Haage and Partner have a tough
target of about 20,000-25,000 sales.  Consider AF's circulation
*worldwide* is about 13,000 alone.  We can not afford to be complacent,
and hope that other Amigans upgrade.  If you don't have the money, well
there's nothing you can do about that and it's understandable, but if
you do, what are you waiting for, if it's AmigaOS 4.0, you'll be
waiting a long time since Haage and Partners tough break-even targets
were not met.  3.5 may not provide the improvement you want, but 4.0
could, and buying 3.5 is the only way that will appear.  4.0 will give
a new ROM.  I think the c. 1993 3.1 ROM is a bit past it now, but that
is all we will have if we don't upgrade.

I'm sorry, I'm not being offensive, and no offense is implied, I
respect everybody's views, but come on, I think =A334.95 for a long
waited os upgrade is superb value, I paid over =A3100 for 3.1 in 1996,
and it was already 2-3 years old!

>It may be more stable
> than using lots of patches to achieve similar aims, but my OS3.1
system
> is very stable, even after running lots of patches. When the new
> features of OS3.5 (Workbench AREXX enabled seems to be the only
> useful one) become in more common use, perhaps I will purchase it.
Until
> then, it's bottom of my shopping list."

That's a shame really.  What if 4.0 was to support PPC or Alpha,
whatever natively.  I'm sure the Blizzard G4s sound more desirable. 
But A G4 powering a 68K OS?  I think not, the only way we will get a
native OS for PPC or whatever, is by showing our support for Amiga OS
3.5.  We can not be complacent as I have said.  After I have finsihed
Platinum Suite 2000, if I feel like doing an upgrade I will, but it
will only be for 3.5.  It's time that we started being a bit more
ruthless.  Lets not repeat the 1.2/1.3 transitional period to 2.0x
which haunted the Amiga for the best part of five years.
 
Please read this carefully before sending me hate mail! :)  It's only a
POV, and as I have said my points are equally valid as other peoples. 
Just think....

Oh well,  have a nice day, and please don't bite my head off, once
again no offense is implied of intended, and as AF used to say
underneath Tim Smith's column in the early 90s, the views expressed
here are not necessarily that of Amiga Formats!

You can breathe in now! :)

All the best,

Nick.

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 oruk-amigan@excite.com wrote:

> A.) Does WipeOut 2097 (Amiga) run on 68K CPUs as well as PPC?
> B.) If yes, would performance be good on a 68040/40MHz (full 040) with
> 32Mb RAM on the Pixel 64 Gfx. Card running Picasso '96 2.0 as its RTG
> system? (It's an A1200)  What FPS on 320x240?

you need a 3D gfx card. software (CPU) rendering would give you ..oh,
probably 3 fps

alan

"alan l.m. buxey" <kcci-@central.susx.ac.uk> wrote: 

> 
> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 oruk-amigan@excite.com wrote:
> 
> > A.) Does WipeOut 2097 (Amiga) run on 68K CPUs as well as PPC?
> > B.) If yes, would performance be good on a 68040/40MHz (full 040)
with
> > 32Mb RAM on the Pixel 64 Gfx. Card running Picasso '96 2.0 as its
RTG
> > system? (It's an A1200)  What FPS on 320x240?
> 
> you need a 3D gfx card. software (CPU) rendering would give you ..oh,
> probably 3 fps
> 

:)  Hee Hee, oh well, just a crazy thought. (WipeOut on an '040, how
silly of me!!)

All The Best,

Nick.

 
> > "I don't have OS3.5, and currently have no intention of buying it.
> > From what I have seen and read about it, it doesn't appear to 
> > offer enough of an improvement over OS3.1 to the average user. 
> 
> Fair comment, so I suppose you're waiting for, say 3.6, 3.7 or 4.0. 
> But, without the support for OS 3.5, those things you're waiting for
> will sadly not appear because the sales targets were not met. 

Bzzzzzzzzzt! Continued support of the OS is not a valid reason to
buy it. You can't say "OS3.5 will be no use to you at all, but you
should buy it anyway because then there'll be MORE useless updates
for you to buy!"

It's dumb.

> > is very stable, even after running lots of patches. When the new
> > features of OS3.5 (Workbench AREXX enabled seems to be the only
> > useful one) become in more common use, perhaps I will purchase it.
> > Until then, it's bottom of my shopping list."
> 
> That's a shame really.  What if 4.0 was to support PPC or Alpha,
> whatever natively.  I'm sure the Blizzard G4s sound more desirable. 
> But A G4 powering a 68K OS?  I think not, the only way we will get a
> native OS for PPC or whatever, is by showing our support for Amiga OS
> 3.5.

It looks like H&P are going to port it whether we buy OS3.5 or not.
It looks like we've been taken for a ride of pity and sympathy by
those bastards at Amiga and Haage & Partner.. they were going to
support the 3.6/4.0 transition ANYWAY, they just want it to get
decent sales anyway.

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, fool wrote:

> ISTR a competition some time ago where everyone was given the same set of
> (copyright free) samples and the winner was whoever came up with the best
> mod made only from them.  Maybe AF could do something similar with a nice
> soundcard or something as a prize?  At least we'd get some mods on the CD
> then.

that'd be a good idea...yes, i think thats a great idea.

then the next month, there could be a gfx competition...where the idea
for the picture is given..and objects to be in the picture are on the CD
(it would be up to the artists to convert/load them up as brushes etc
and modify etc)

alan

On 22 Nov 1999, Paul Cundle wrote:

> The name's Buxey, Alan L.M. Buxey, licence to email.
> 
> > yes, i have a CD-Writer and would back up anyones HD in the Brighton(UK)
> > area if they wanted to.
> 
> You do? Brighton, you say? Hmmmm.......... you might regret that
> offer ;)

no, i wouldnt regret it. Getting a new drive, so that'll help these
forms of shenanigans :^)

alan

Hi, 

Matt Sealey wrote:

> It looks like H&P are going to port it whether we buy OS3.5 or not.
> It looks like we've been taken for a ride of pity and sympathy by
> those bastards at Amiga and Haage & Partner.. they were going to
> support the 3.6/4.0 transition ANYWAY, they just want it to get
> decent sales anyway.

Those *bastards* (sorry), are people who work for a business, they have
to make a turnover, to create a small profit (they are Amiga developers
so they're not rich), to pay their employees, who in turn need a wage
to support their families (I'm going all soppy now! :)), if Haage And
Partner and Amiga don't make a turnover, and start getting into debt...
 We know the story and two words about beggining with B and L come to
mind.  (Bankruptcy and Liquidation).

This may be extreme, but is it out of question for them to want to make
decent sales, is there anything wrong with that?  I believe not.  Any
company wanting to make a little profit are not _all_ "*bastards*"
because they want to be sucessful, be it Amiga or not.

Sorry, but this is just something I feel sorry about, once again, not
offense is meant :), and I respect your views. :)  (I don't want to be
flamed!!!! :))

Yours,

Nick.

Ben asked for a one liner on OS3.5 to be mailed to Clare Hatfield, which 5
people (including myself) sent.  Apathy seemed to have affected the other 850
or so people on here, so Ben (rightly so IMHO) had a go at everyone.

All of a sudden we're getting essay after essay on what people think of it,
sent to the list, and some of it is quite frankly not what you'd want printed in
an international magazine with your name next to it!  :-)

The worst part is, the original five of us who did reply are going to look
bad in comparison as we only wrote one line and not half a page!

Bah humbug  ;-)

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> Hi, 
> 
> Matt Sealey wrote:
> 
> > It looks like H&P are going to port it whether we buy OS3.5 or not.
> 
> Those *bastards* (sorry), are people who work for a business, 
> they have to make a turnover, to create a small profit (they
> are Amiga developers so they're not rich), to pay their employees,
> who in turn need a wage to support their families (I'm going all
> soppy now! :)), if Haage And Partner and Amiga don't make a turnover,
> and start getting into debt...

Errr... but they SAID that they'll not make 3.6 or a PPC version if
there aren't enough sales for OS3.5. BUT, they were going to anyway.
It's a great way to latch on to a bunch of gullible idiots and fleece
them for every penny.

I bought OS3.5 because I needed a new OS to run, I got fed up of
Workbench locking up when it reopened it's screen and I was tired
of fiddling with patches to make them work together because they
ALL wanted to do the same thing at once.

NOT because I thought I'd get OS3.6 - although it is, as I have
always said, a rather nice side effect.

I couldn't give a shit whether Haage & Partner went bankrupt or
whatever. That's business - you take a chance, don't get enough
sales and they go under. Not our fault, not at all.

> This may be extreme, but is it out of question for them to 
> want to make decent sales, is there anything wrong with that?

Getting decent sales by lying to the people who would buy it?

No support, no upgrades, no nothing - unless our sales reach
25,000!

Like hell, they need that to get a profit, but they would have
made OS3.6 or OS4.0PPC whether they hit profit or not. Remember
it's Haage & Partner which are going to go under, not Amiga,
and Amiga will be relaxing a lot of rules (patents, licensing)
which means Haage & Partner have had and will have an easy ride.

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> 
> On 21 Nov 1999, Kevin Fairhurst wrote:
> 
> > > 140? why didnt you buy the fujitsu 20Gb IDE for that price? :-)
> > 
> > Because I was after a SCSI III UW drive to attatch to my CyberStorm PPC. 
> 
> oh, that'll be the 35Gb IBM one then ;-)

For 120 + VAT?  Where?

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_Replying to a message_:

   By:  Ben Vost <ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk>
  Via:  afb <afb@egroups.com>
Dated:  23-Nov-99 19:32:32
About:  [afb] Re: MANAGE: Last chance for OS3.5

Hi Ben,

>> Well, how many people on here have OS 3.5?  And feel they've used it
>> enough to make an informed comment?

>> I don't have it yet, and I'm not likely to for some time.  I'm not about
>> to throw my money on something I don't know enough about, apart from
>> comments from people that it fails with certain software (software that
>> I'm using too).

> Well then, giuve me a comment on why you *haven't* bought it. I didn't ask
> for comments on using it, merely on your opinion of it - "I'm not going to
> buy it because it doesn't work with Scala", kind of thing.

I just did, didn't I?  After reading that it doesn't work with the
software that I use, and paid *a lot* of money for, I'm not going to be
buying it until it does work with it.  That means, when patches,
upgrades, and new utilities are written.

There is no reason at all for me to buy software, that will break
everything else.  I want a computer that does the work I need it to, not
one that gives money to some company for the sake of it.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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_Replying to a message_:

   By:  oruk-amigan <oruk-amigan@excite.com>
  Via:  afb <afb@eGroups.com>
Dated:  23-Nov-99 21:49:03
About:  [afb] Re: MANAGE: Last chance for OS3.5

Hi oruk-amigan,
  
>> "I don't have OS3.5, and currently have no intention of buying it.
>> From what I have seen and read about it, it doesn't appear to offer
>> enough of an improvement over OS3.1 to the average user. 

> Fair comment, so I suppose you're waiting for, say 3.6, 3.7 or 4.0. 
> But, without the support for OS 3.5, those things you're waiting for
> will sadly not appear because the sales targets were not met.
>
> ...[snip]...
>
> I'm sorry, I'm not being offensive, and no offense is implied, I
> respect everybody's views, but come on, I think 34.95 for a long
> waited os upgrade is superb value, I paid over 100 for 3.1 in 1996,
> and it was already 2-3 years old!

There's no reason that consumers must go around giving money to
companies out of the goodness of our heart.  We buy a product when we
need it, and if we need it.  Just because it's cheap is no reason to
have to buy it.  Nor is convincing a company to keep on developing a
good reason, perhaps if they'd released something that we absolutely had
to have (in that it was that good), they'd sell more.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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_Replying to a message_:

   By:  Sealey, M. <mws2@leicester.ac.uk>
  Via:  'afb@egroups.com' <afb@egroups.com>
Dated:  23-Nov-99 20:10:43
About:  [afb] Re: Crashes

Hi Sealey,,

>>> MCP is only dodgy when idiots try and use it. People who haven't
>>> a clue how the hell it works and have no concept of the importance
>>> of 'patch order'
 
>> That's all very well and good stating that, but there isn't any
>> readily available documentation about which patches should or 
>> shouldn't be used, or in what order.

> That's because it's way too complicated for stoopid people to
> work out, and they seem to think that if it doesn't work in ONE
> configuration then it won't work at all.

You are a true arsehole.

> You know the sort who put MCP and FBlit in WBStartup, the ones who
> put all their patches in user-startup where they'll be about as
> useful as a hatchet in your back, and just about as painful.

>> There's a lot of so-called expert opinions bandied about, but
>> they're just as unbelievable as the next one.

> Hmm? That was a bit of a sly dig, wasn't it? :)

:-|

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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> > That's because it's way too complicated for stoopid people to
> > work out, and they seem to think that if it doesn't work in ONE
> > configuration then it won't work at all.
> 
> You are a true arsehole.

Why? You don't consider yourself stoopid, do you?

It was merely a vague generalisation. There are a lot of stoopid
people around these days. I meet them every day and shout RTFM
down the phone at them every other day. It just so happens that
there is a high proportion of stooopid people in the godforsaken
so-called Amiga Community, of which I refuse to be a member.

I refuse to be polite or politically correct to people simply
because I might be offensive. I refuse to correct my statement
because I don't consider YOU stupid :)
 
> > > There's a lot of so-called expert opinions bandied about, but
> > > they're just as unbelievable as the next one.
> 
> > Hmm? That was a bit of a sly dig, wasn't it? :)
> 
> :-|

?

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On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 04:49:03 -0800,  wibbled...

> Fair comment, so I suppose you're waiting for, say 3.6, 3.7 or 4.0. 

Not really; I'm waiting to see if something decent is done to the OS. In
my opinion, Haage could have done more to the OS, and then they would
sell more and have more chance of continuuing the project. A new
Kickstart (as a ROM image on disk) could've been a good start, giving
all programs the Reaction GUI overhaul etc, but they chose not to and
instead provided a few 'official' hacks :/

> I am not
> standing hear saying that 3.5 will change your life, but I am saying
> that if you don't support 3.5, then we'll never see the improvements
> officially from Amiga *ever* again.  

I don't see OS3.5 as much of an improvement though.

> Haage and Partner have a tough target of about 20,000-25,000 sales. 

In my opinion, that is too high a target; that's probably the amount of
active Amiga users in the world, and on no format does everyone buy
every update etc, least of all Amiga.

> I'm sorry, I'm not being offensive, and no offense is implied

None taken.

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Paul,


> What are you on about, Sam Byford?
> 
> > I sent mine!  Pull your fingures out people.  Your Magazine Needs
You!

What am I on about?  I could ask you the same thing!  Try reading
Manage: posts!


> 
> I think this needs a bit of handy work from Tom Waddington, people!
> 
> (in-joke for all those on afb-ot in case you're confused)
> 
> > Bifford the Youngest.
> 
> Still?

What do you mean still?  Im not exactly going to suddenly age and
overtake my brother in the amount of years I`ve been alive am I?



> 
> Paul C, with sunspots
> -- 
> ... Top Oxymorons Number 38: Government organization 

             ^^^^^^
Moron is the right word for you here I think!


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fool wrote:
> 
> ideas?) that are, to the best of my knowledge (99.9999999999% sure), all free 
> of copyrighted samples.
btw, do copyrights still hold if you modify a sample beyond recognition?

> 
> BTW, what's the chance of getting a tune on as an audio track?
I think this could be a good idea - the winner get his/her mod on the cd
as an audio track.

-- 
Mail me a kipper, I'll be spoked for breakfast.

HI
> how can we trust someone who has friends of dubious nature? 
Don't blame me I and two others keep telling them not to use pirate
software but they never listen to us they keep telling us "legal idiots".
> almost ALL their cracked software has backdoors. 
THANK YOU now I have another reason to tell them not use that stuff!
Cheers
-- 
Amiga RULEZ in Greece TOO!!

hi,

> Tis a Dreamcast.  Okay, it runs Wince but the only reason I bought the
> thing in the first place is out this Friday and it is called "Soul Caliber"
> - this is *THE* ultimate fighting game ever!

:-) I see the Dreamcast is getting quite a collection of games...i'll
have to see how my bank balance is after Christmas :-)
 
alan

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Michael wrote:

> Why don't AmigaFormat and AmigaActive team up and try to get a bundle pack
> arraged where you can buy a G4 card, graphics card (mini PCI thing),
> SCSI/IDE controller (depending on your preference!) and Wipeout 2097....I
> remember some of Commodore best good point were there bundles!

;-) well, firstly we actually have to *have* G4 cards and miniPCI gfx
cards...so lets wait until..oh, March for those shall we, before working
out some bundle strategy

alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Chris Andrews wrote:

>   Not forgotten.  But Sony do love thier exclusives, that's why the Music
> for the playstation version was only on the playstation (and not the
> PC/Saturn/N64.  Oh yeah, and Amiga!)

well, nice to see that 007 is going to appear on the Playstation this
time around...I hate these 'exclusive licences'. No Tomb Raider on Amiga
because of an Eidos deal...no Goldeneye on Playstation etc

alan

> > Tis a Dreamcast.  Okay, it runs Wince but the only reason I 
> > bought the thing in the first place is out this Friday and
> > it is called "Soul Caliber" - this is *THE* ultimate
> > fighting game ever!
> 
> :-) I see the Dreamcast is getting quite a collection of games...i'll
> have to see how my bank balance is after Christmas :-)

I was wondering about getting one, too, but a BoXeR and Jet Force Gemini,
Donkey Kong Country, Super Smash Bros and Perfect Dark all seem to be
more tempting.

With regards to WinCE, it may amuse you to find out that exactly ZERO
DreamCast games actually use WindowsCE yet.. I'm not sure about the net
software, but I wouldn't bank on it being based on the Microsoft OS..

Oh, and Soul Caliber truly is the greatest game on the planet, period.
That is until Perfect Dark comes out, and you'll all be crying for an
N64 again :)

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> > Tis a Dreamcast.  Okay, it runs Wince but the only reason I bought
the
> > thing in the first place is out this Friday and it is called "Soul
Caliber"
> > - this is *THE* ultimate fighting game ever!
> 
No it's not. They haven't released Marvel vs. Capcom yet. Now *that's*
a fighting game...

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Michael wrote:

> BoXeR knocking on are doors). Do IWin know about the BoXer, do they
> really think anyone would buy an PC over BoXeR then I think IWin might
> just have their wired crossed!

...but you can BUY a PC an emulate an Amiga....now, wheres that BoXeR?

alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> situation arises where we are going to close the mag, but we're budgeted
> all through next year.

hurrah!

subscribed anyway! @:-)

alan

> well, nice to see that 007 is going to appear on the Playstation this
> time around...I hate these 'exclusive licences'. No Tomb Raider on
> Amiga because of an Eidos deal...no Goldeneye on Playstation etc

Right, you can't knock Exclusive Licenses, especially in the case of
Goldeneye and it's lame not-sequel on the Playstation.

Note Goldeneye, arguably the best fps game on the planet.

Note Tomorrow Never Dies, delayed for two years and still looking
like a crock of poo. Yes, TND is shit - confirmed - because it's
yet-another-mixed-genre-game-trying-to-be-Tomb-Raider-but-with-
other-characters.

Sometimes the exclusive licenses work. It worked to Goldeneye's
advantage (no other company would have made as good a game as Rare)

I don't see why NOT having Tomb Raider is a disadvantage to the
Amiga anyway. Tomb Raider sucks, it's got the nastiest control
system on the planet, and the most mundane unoriginal plot and
gameplay trip going, with all that running around aimlessly past
things you've already seen because you missed a handhold when
swinging over those same wolves for the EIGHTH time..

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Distributed Systems Support
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University of Leicester

Hi
> No it's not. They haven't released Marvel vs. Capcom yet. Now *that's*
> a fighting game...
THEY DID I have played it it is actually the most boring beat'em up I have
ever played
bye
-- 
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On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> > test them anyway"
> 
> Oh dear, we don't have a Pixel64, BVisionPPC or CVisionPPC (or any of the
> other cards I mentioned before).

umm, I'll volunteer to give you required details for the BVision
(this is a 50MHz 060/240PPC system, not overclocked, CGX 4.2, OS3.5)

alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> Could this be? Another fellow Brightonian?!

hmm, or someone close...maybe 3 of us on the list... Brighton Amiga
Group ..if thats your BAG ;-)...could be up and running soon!

alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 oruk-amigan@excite.com wrote:

> This is not good, Ben sent yesterday a mail entitled "MANAGE", and yet
> it seems so little have responded to the request for opinions on OS3.5.

umm..the responses arent supposed to go here, thats why - they get
emailed elsewhere (you did read the message, yes?)

alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Michael wrote:

> Another thing that pissed me off...well maybe...it that on the Playstation
> version
> the music is held on CD tracks (so if you wanted you could play it on your
> hifi). The
> PC version had the music in a file, so there is no chance that you could
> make your own
> version with other CD music (ie copying the Wipeout CD track one and putting
> all your
> other music on the other tracks). Psynosis I think went down hill after they
> were bought by
> Sony.

the Amiga version are CD audio tracks..thats why music doesnt work with
certain CDROMs, they cant do CDDA

alan

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Jeff Jeffery wrote:

> > Try init AT&F\r
> > 
> > and nothing for the exit.
> > 
> Golly! And that's all?

why should you need to program the modem more than its default decent
factory setting? :-)

alan

> > No it's not. They haven't released Marvel vs. Capcom yet. Now
*that's*
> > a fighting game...
> THEY DID I have played it it is actually the most boring beat'em up I
have
> ever played

Ahh, that's probably because you were rubbish at it :P

> 
> hi,
> 
> > Tis a Dreamcast.  Okay, it runs Wince but the only reason I bought the
> > thing in the first place is out this Friday and it is called "Soul Caliber"
> > - this is *THE* ultimate fighting game ever!
> 
> :-) I see the Dreamcast is getting quite a collection of games...i'll
> have to see how my bank balance is after Christmas :-)

http://www.simplygames.co.uk have good prices for the base unit (170 inc P&P)
but I am not sure if that will last beyond Xmas.  Games can be found at several
online stores, but I find http://www.gamestreet.co.uk to be the best as they
do special offers when a game comes out, e.g. 35.99 for "House of the Dead 2"
with light-gun (it's 59.99 in the shops).  Unfortunately they're out of stock
so I'm having to wait a week for delivery of it.

However, the "must have" games that are currently out are limited really.  The
only "must have" that I can think of so far is "Ready 2 Rumble Boxing" - play
it with your mates after a night out at the pub  :-)

"Soul Calibur" is the next one everyone just has to buy  :)

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> > Could this be? Another fellow Brightonian?!
> 
> hmm, or someone close...maybe 3 of us on the list... Brighton Amiga
> Group ..if thats your BAG ;-)...could be up and running soon!
> 
I'm from Brighton too, except currently I'm failing a degree in
Portsmouth.

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> Seriously, all consoles suck - with one exception being
> the Gameboy Color. Watch as it outsells the DreamCast,
> Playstation and N64 COMBINED!

..give me a Gameboy with some decent horsepower...maybe even some 3D
functionality..and we'd be talking. The Lynx was better..but far too
big!

Gameboy is the worlds most owned console already :-)

alan

Hi 
> Ahh, that's probably because you were rubbish at it :P
I have completed it 10 times it is damn easy the only hard
part is the final boss.It's pretty easy even on the hard 
setting that's why it is boring
Bye
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On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, chris wrote:

> As for generating extra funds, I, (and I think many others), have stacks =
of
> AF's sitting in the corner of a room.  I'm desperate for some AF binders,
> but they're not available.  Why not?  Surely, when binders for PC Format
> are ordered, why can't they order a few thousand with the PC scribbled ou=
t
> and Amiga printed in its place?  Even at the old price of =A310 for two
> binders, I'd probaly spend =A370......the price of two years subscription=
!!=20

I'd buy a couple of binders myself! I'd also like a small CD box (in the
same vein as the National Geographic binder) to store the AF CD's in

> The same goes for clothing, I'm gagging to get some branded Amiga gear,=
=20
> and Alive are getting some in stock......that's another missed opportunit=
y
> for AF to generate some extra cash.

=2E.Cloanto have the best T-Shirts ;-)

alan

Ben Vost said, 

> Haha! Mine isn't grey! I bought a new clear blue case for it in Kln and it
> now looks lovely... :)

Some of us bought kit for our *Amigas* in Cologne :-O


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Hi Alan,

>> This is not good, Ben sent yesterday a mail entitled "MANAGE", and yet
>> it seems so little have responded to the request for opinions on OS3.5.

> umm..the responses arent supposed to go here, thats why - they get
> emailed elsewhere (you did read the message, yes?)

We only got five responses.

All the best,
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> On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> 
> > Seriously, all consoles suck - with one exception being
> > the Gameboy Color. Watch as it outsells the DreamCast,
> > Playstation and N64 COMBINED!
> 
> ..give me a Gameboy with some decent horsepower...maybe even some 3D
> functionality..and we'd be talking. The Lynx was better..but far too
> big!

Nintendo have preempted you. The Gameboy Advance is rotated round
90degrees to look like the Lynx/GameGear, features a 32bit processor
and a kick-ass FPU plus the ability to display a hefty amount of
colours onscreen at once (16bit-ish if you use copperlist style tricks)
 
Due out sometime before the Dolphin appears, and supposedly compatible
with the Dolphin in some strange unknowable way..

> Gameboy is the worlds most owned console already :-)

Well I have one, and that makes it cool by default ;)

Pika! Pikachu!

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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 oruk-amigan@excite.com wrote:

> :)  Hee Hee, oh well, just a crazy thought. (WipeOut on an '040, how
> silly of me!!)

:-) oh, the 040 could handle the gameplay and sound, sure! But the 3D
gfx? no, sorry

alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> It looks like H&P are going to port it whether we buy OS3.5 or not.
> It looks like we've been taken for a ride of pity and sympathy by
> those bastards at Amiga and Haage & Partner.. they were going to
> support the 3.6/4.0 transition ANYWAY, they just want it to get
> decent sales anyway.

no. fixes and small updates were on the cards. but a complete OS4.0
product? Only if the sales of OS3.5 are good enough

alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> I bought OS3.5 because I needed a new OS to run, I got fed up of
> Workbench locking up when it reopened it's screen and I was tired
> of fiddling with patches to make them work together because they
> ALL wanted to do the same thing at once.

I bought is because it enabled me to remove a dozen patches from my
setup. I dont mind running patches (if they dont crash the machine..they
get deleted if they do straight away!)..but i really prefer the OS to do
the work that all my 3rd party addons did. Even if its something
'trivial' such as the icons. Upgrades post-purchase would be nice. but,
to be honest, after I bought OS3.1 a while ago, i wasnt expecting any
futher OS..so this is all nice.

as for H&P..they havent got 'an easy ride'. they asked for the licence
and they get all the abuse. Fixing a 7 year old OS isnt easy, especially
when it uses a 7 year old compiler!  I wish them all the luck...I'd hope
that there'll be some free updates for purchasers of major OS revisions.
I'm also up for certain parts of the OS being released as
OpenSource...the Printer system would be a very good start, as would
datatypes and filesystem

alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 redvers@bigfoot.com wrote:

> > oh, that'll be the 35Gb IBM one then ;-)
>=20
> For =A3120 + VAT?  Where?

i wish..no...SCSI-III UW's start at those higher 300 UKP rate

alan

On 23 Nov 1999, Tim Seifert wrote:

> I just did, didn't I?  After reading that it doesn't work with the
> software that I use, and paid *a lot* of money for, I'm not going to be
> buying it until it does work with it.  That means, when patches,
> upgrades, and new utilities are written.

..so which programs of yours does it not work with then?

alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> I don't see why NOT having Tomb Raider is a disadvantage to the
> Amiga anyway. Tomb Raider sucks, it's got the nastiest control
> system on the planet, and the most mundane unoriginal plot and
> gameplay trip going, with all that running around aimlessly past
> things you've already seen because you missed a handhold when
> swinging over those same wolves for the EIGHTH time..
> 

When I say Tomb Raider, I mean I, II III *and* IV-TLR. its the deal they
have with Sony...only PSX and PC :-|

alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 riksweeney@hotmail.com wrote:

> I'm from Brighton too, except currently I'm failing a degree in
> Portsmouth.

strange! I'm from Portsmouth but I work/live here in Brighton
(pity I cant make those Power Amiga Group meets in pompey!)

alan - changing subject lines 

On 23 Nov 1999, Neil Bothwick wrote:

> Some of us bought kit for our *Amigas* in Cologne :-O

;-) 

what? those really cool looking airbrushed Amiga towers?? 

alan

> > Could this be? Another fellow Brightonian?!
> 
> hmm, or someone close...maybe 3 of us on the list... Brighton Amiga
> Group ..if thats your BAG ;-)...could be up and running soon!

Plus my twin brother, but then he's not on AFB.

Paul
=====
Fortune favours the bold.
Visit the Amipal website: http://www.geocities.com/amipal/

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> Due out sometime before the Dolphin appears, and supposedly compatible
> with the Dolphin in some strange unknowable way..

probably plugs into the controller - like the Dreamcast PDV's
 
> Well I have one, and that makes it cool by default ;)

as do I 8-)

alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> > > Could this be? Another fellow Brightonian?!
> > 
> > hmm, or someone close...maybe 3 of us on the list... Brighton Amiga
> > Group ..if thats your BAG ;-)...could be up and running soon!
> 
> Plus my twin brother, but then he's not on AFB.

thats fine..thats fine

alan

> On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> 
> > I don't see why NOT having Tomb Raider is a disadvantage to the
> > Amiga anyway. Tomb Raider sucks, it's got the nastiest control
> > system on the planet, and the most mundane unoriginal plot and
> > gameplay trip going, with all that running around aimlessly past
> > things you've already seen because you missed a handhold when
> > swinging over those same wolves for the EIGHTH time..
> 
> When I say Tomb Raider, I mean I, II III *and* IV-TLR. its 
> the deal they have with Sony...only PSX and PC :-|

When I say Tomb Raider, I mean I, II, III, IV and the inevitable
Lara-gets-curvier-tits mission packs :)

The deal Sony has is irrelevant - Tomb Raider would not do anything for the
Amiga, apart from give some sad fools something to ... over. Sad fools who
most probably already HAVE the Playstation version, the comics, and all
the silly Lara Croft lookie-likie 'jazz mags'.

--
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

Hi Neil,

>> Haha! Mine isn't grey! I bought a new clear blue case for it in K=F6ln=
 and
>> it now looks lovely... :)

> Some of us bought kit for our *Amigas* in Cologne :-O

Oh, I brought home kit for my Amiga too, and I have just spent in excess =
of
=A3500 on it...

All the best,
-- =

Ben Vost (x2337)      /PGP key available/   T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                      F: (+44) 01225 732275
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
try this: http://www.vcnet.com/bms/

> > Some of us bought kit for our *Amigas* in Cologne :-O
>=20
> Oh, I brought home kit for my Amiga too, and I have just=20
> spent in excess of =A3500 on it...

But you're more proud of the pretty blue case you got for
yer 'Station though, admit it ;)

--
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester=20

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> The deal Sony has is irrelevant - Tomb Raider would not do anything for the
> Amiga, apart from give some sad fools something to ... over. Sad fools who
> most probably already HAVE the Playstation version, the comics, and all
> the silly Lara Croft lookie-likie 'jazz mags'.

ah! I see now...you never 'got' TR. thats fine

alan

Hi M.,

>>> Some of us bought kit for our *Amigas* in Cologne :-O
>> =

>> Oh, I brought home kit for my Amiga too, and I have just =

>> spent in excess of =A3500 on it...

> But you're more proud of the pretty blue case you got for
> yer 'Station though, admit it ;)

Not really, it looks nice, but that's it - it hasn't changed the
functionality of my PSX. However, my Amiga is now a top-notch beastie,
albeit PPC-free atm.

All the best,
-- =

Ben Vost (x2337)      /PGP key available/   T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                      F: (+44) 01225 732275
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Hilarious: =

http://www.freeyellow.com/members7/geraldholmes/

> > The deal Sony has is irrelevant - Tomb Raider would not do 
> > anything for the Amiga, apart from give some sad fools
> > something to ... over. Sad fools who most probably already
> > HAVE the Playstation version, the comics, and all the
> > silly Lara Croft lookie-likie 'jazz mags'.
> 
> ah! I see now...you never 'got' TR. thats fine

No, I 'got' TR, I just hate it. Only Playstation owners
manage to like it, because they are used to the arcane
'rotate' control method rather than a real 3D one.

One which PCs and the N64 did away with YONKS ago, and
only recently that Monkey Catching game took advantage
of - ANALOGUE JOYSTICKS.

Tomb Raider is slow, repetitive, a bitch to control, and
if you consider Lara Croft as an essential part of the
game, I'd pity you.

IMO it would bring nothing to the Amiga apart from ANOTHER
crap game to not play..

--
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

> > But you're more proud of the pretty blue case you got for
> > yer 'Station though, admit it ;)
> 
> Not really, it looks nice, but that's it - it hasn't changed the
> functionality of my PSX. However, my Amiga is now a top-notch beastie,
> albeit PPC-free atm.

LOL!

Go and get Richard to say 'top notch beastie' :)

--
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

> > > Tis a Dreamcast.  Okay, it runs Wince but the only reason I bought the
> > > thing in the first place is out this Friday and it is called "Soul Calibur"
> > > - this is *THE* ultimate fighting game ever!
> > 
> No it's not. They haven't released Marvel vs. Capcom yet. Now *that's*
> a fighting game...

Trust me.  Soul Calibur is THE fighting game.  Silky smooth animation, and great
characters too.  A pity we'll not see anything of it's ilk on the Amiga :-/

Kev


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Activition have announced HereticII for Linux! So, does this mean that
Hyperion could have converted the source (adding some Warp3D gumph)
without having to buy a license?

Paul

> Activition have announced HereticII for Linux! So, does this mean that
> Hyperion could have converted the source (adding some Warp3D gumph)
> without having to buy a license?

Another great fallacy - that everything on Linux is free.

No, it means that Activision are porting HereticII to Linux, and
Hyperion will still have to license the game because (and I'll
say it loud so you pay attention)

PORTING THE GAME TO LINUX DOES NOT MEAN IT IS GOING OPEN SOURCE
AND IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT IS GOING TO BE FREELY DOWNLOADABLE

--
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

Reading through PCPro at work during my lunch break, I couldn't help
but notice the Retro article. Lo and behold, the Amiga was present,
with it's custom chip "Paula, Daphne, and Agnus". Who the hell is
Daphne?!

Paul

> Reading through PCPro at work during my lunch break, I couldn't help
> but notice the Retro article. Lo and behold, the Amiga was present,
> with it's custom chip "Paula, Daphne, and Agnus". Who the hell is
> Daphne?!

I'm dead certain it WAS a chip.. quite WHERE, I don't know.

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hello Alan


> 10??!? :-)

Yup :-))) 
 
> where do you live in the UK?

I'm in the West Midlands... near Birmingham



Best Regards

Ben Chapman

> > Activition have announced HereticII for Linux! So, does this mean
that
> > Hyperion could have converted the source (adding some Warp3D gumph)
> > without having to buy a license?
> 
> Another great fallacy - that everything on Linux is free.
> 
> No, it means that Activision are porting HereticII to Linux, and
> Hyperion will still have to license the game because (and I'll
> say it loud so you pay attention)
> 
> PORTING THE GAME TO LINUX DOES NOT MEAN IT IS GOING OPEN SOURCE
> AND IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT IS GOING TO BE FREELY DOWNLOADABLE

Hm, okay then.

Paul

> > of copyrighted samples.
> btw, do copyrights still hold if you modify a sample beyond recognition?


How about samples from a group that have deleted their tracks and made their
music Kopyright free?

I've done a remix of an old fave rave tune of mine, and the group that made
it owned their own label, wrote all the music themselves, closed down the
label, deleted their entire back catalogue and proclaimed their music 'free
from the tyranny of the Kopyrighters'.

So, if the group/writers themselves don't care about the copyright, does
this mean I can get my mod on the CD?

Oh, the group - work it out.  1987 is a clue.

Hey Michael

On 23-nov-99, you wrote:

>>   Try going here:
>> http://www.iwin-corp.de/enmain/Products/products.html
>> 
> 
....emulation seems to be it.

It is emulation, as it says in the text.
> 
> All of their specs also make it look like a PC....

But the PowerPC version seems to be different.

... when there are machines like the
> BoXeR knocking on are doors). 

For the past two years now. Which is a damn shame because everytime I decided
to buy an A4000 there was news in the mags that `... the Boxer is to be
released within a few weeks now...' . So as it seems this fast iWin emulation
could be a good alternative to a lot of us. Sure I would like special Amiga
hardware but if that is not going to happen I'll have to settle for second
best. I say we have to wait for the review of the machines....
 

Do IWin know about the BoXer, do they
> really think anyone would buy an PC over BoXeR then I think IWin might
> just have their wired crossed!

But as said, the Boxer has to become available.
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
Regards
-- 
Bert Volders

http://www.volders.demon.nl
^^^^^Don't go there, its not finished yet...
bert@volders.demon.nl
amiga_3k@yahoo.com
ICQ_Nick: Speedy
ICQ_UIN: 38809545

Hi Matt, on 23-Nov-99, at 17:46:15, you wrote:

>> Reading through PCPro at work during my lunch break,
>> I couldn't help but notice the Retro article. Lo and
>> behold, the Amiga was present, with it's custom chip
>> "Paula, Daphne, and Agnus". Who the hell is Daphne?!

> I'm dead certain it WAS a chip..
> quite WHERE, I don't know.

As always, Dr. Sealey, you're dead right  ;)

The author probably is an old ICPUG member.

In their journal, there used to be a series called
"Perils of Portia, Agnus & Daphne" by Brian Grainger,
with tales about his life as an Amiga user.

In other words, it is just a nickname for ...


Cheers,

Armin

Ben Vost said 

> > Argh! That gave me a fright. I don't think anyone should post anything
> > with a subject like that. For a minute there, I thought it was AF winding
> > down, and closing. But don't scare me like that again ;)
 
> There's been a rumour flying around that we are to close. Don't worry, we're
> not, and if you guys hear anything like that, please stamp on it. You can
> rest assured that I will give as much notice as possible on here, if the
> situation arises where we are going to close the mag, but we're budgeted
> all through next year.

Oh dear, is it just me or this statment a subtle shift from Ben's
previous "don't worry, we're profitable" line.

I hope it's just paranoia on my part :(
-- 
Anthony Prime
>>Milennium Bug? No Problem - Powered by Amiga in Crewe
anthony@prime.clara.co.uk

Hi Anthony,

> Oh dear, is it just me or this statment a subtle shift from Ben's
> previous "don't worry, we're profitable" line.

> I hope it's just paranoia on my part :(

It *is* just paranoia. For God's sake, we're profitable! We're budgeted
until the end of next year! Everything's okay! Aaarrgghh! What else do I
have to say? As long as you lot keep buying the mag, we'll keep producing
it.

All the best,
-- 
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Editor, Amiga Format                      F: (+44) 01225 732275
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Excuse for the day: Decreasing electron flux

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> One which PCs and the N64 did away with YONKS ago, and
> only recently that Monkey Catching game took advantage
> of - ANALOGUE JOYSTICKS.

dual-shock/analogue 3D control was used way before Ape Escape
 
> Tomb Raider is slow, repetitive, a bitch to control, and
> if you consider Lara Croft as an essential part of the
> game, I'd pity you.

no, it'd be better with an indiana Jones figure..but still
 
> IMO it would bring nothing to the Amiga apart from ANOTHER
> crap game to not play..

isolated opinion..as the sales figures of TR and its merchandise would
testify

alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> Activition have announced HereticII for Linux! So, does this mean that
> Hyperion could have converted the source (adding some Warp3D gumph)
> without having to buy a license?

no. 'Linux' doesnt mean free. Linux is an OS. there are MANY commercial
games for Linux now.... take Myth2, for example...from LokiGames. sells
for 30 ukp. the PC version is now 9.99 budget release. likewise Railroad
Tycoon II, Civ: CTP

alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> PORTING THE GAME TO LINUX DOES NOT MEAN IT IS GOING OPEN SOURCE
> AND IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT IS GOING TO BE FREELY DOWNLOADABLE

..the demo might be though. And, once again, it'll probably be for x86
only..unless they have soem foresight- or Loki do the PPC version

alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> Reading through PCPro at work during my lunch break, I couldn't help
> but notice the Retro article. Lo and behold, the Amiga was present,
> with it's custom chip "Paula, Daphne, and Agnus". Who the hell is
> Daphne?!

Daphne is one of those renamed chips. ummm, let me recall....the chip
that became Gary.

alan

Hi Alan,

>> Reading through PCPro at work during my lunch break, I couldn't help
>> but notice the Retro article. Lo and behold, the Amiga was present,
>> with it's custom chip "Paula, Daphne, and Agnus". Who the hell is
>> Daphne?!

> Daphne is one of those renamed chips. ummm, let me recall....the chip
> that became Gary.

I think it's more likely that the author meant to write Denise, but got
mixed up.

All the best,
-- 
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Editor, Amiga Format                      F: (+44) 01225 732275
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        Amiga - Not different for difference's
          sake, different because it's better.

Hello Sealey, M., on 23-Nov-99 15:16:43 you said about:
  [afb] Re: Wipeout2097 -Links 

[snip]

>The deal Sony has is irrelevant - Tomb Raider would not do anything for the
>Amiga, apart from give some sad fools something to ... over. Sad fools who
>most probably already HAVE the Playstation version, the comics, and all
>the silly Lara Croft lookie-likie 'jazz mags'.

Talking of which, there now appears to be a "Lara Croft" magazine
(called "Lara, the official Lara Croft magazine"), as advertised on page
28 in the Christmas issue of SFX.

I kid you not.

-- 
 Andy Mills - http://www.wharne.u-net.com
 South West Amiga Group - http://www.swag.org.uk
 afb-ot's official webshite - http://www.afb-ot.the-works.org.uk
--
Anyone who is popular is bound to be disliked.

Hi Matt

On 23-Nov-99, you wrote:
 
> LOL!
> 
> Go and get Richard to say 'top notch beastie' :)

There. I said it.

Anyway, my accent is only noticeably Scottish to people who aren't used to
hearing Scottish accents. It's certainly not traceable to any particular
region. 


Cheers,
Rich

-- 
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Staff Writer, Amiga Format

mailto: richard.drummond@futurenet.co.uk
pgp   : http://www.drummond.u-net.com/download/richards_key.asc
phone : +44 (0)1225 442244 ext 2417

Hi Richard,

> Anyway, my accent is only noticeably Scottish to people who aren't used to
> hearing Scottish accents. It's certainly not traceable to any particular
> region. 

Sorry? (whispers:) someone, what did he say? I couldn't understand a word...

All the best,
-- 
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Editor, Amiga Format                      F: (+44) 01225 732275
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Excuse for the day: Network packets travelling uphill

Hello Anthony,

On 22-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Actually I have just tried to apply for the Barclays service and I am
> told by the server that V3 does not support a sufficient key length
> for encyption :(

V does support 128 bit encryption. SSL does currently not go higher
than that, so V definitely should be able to access ALL ssl sites. In
reality this won't work because many sites simply check for Netscape or
IE SSL plugins or even just query the version number (NS and IE are
socalled "Version 4" browsers...). In fact THESE browsers do not support
128 bits (though they pretend to when queried by a server),
they just use 40 bits or so because of US export restrictions.

Regards
-- 
Oliver Esberger - mailto:oliver@websale.de

Hello all,

does anyone know if their is a CD-I player for the Amiga?
A friend has access to them, but no way of seeing them, and it would be good
to show him on the Amiga.

Kind regards
Gary Jones
-- 

A4000  GVP 060/50
CV64
Dopus Magellan II

"Bother", said Jeffrey Archer, as he read the arrest warrant?

Hi Gary,

> does anyone know if their is a CD-I player for the Amiga? A friend has
> access to them, but no way of seeing them, and it would be good to show
> him on the Amiga.

Do you mean to play back the VideoCDs created for the CD-I? In that case,
not really. You could hook up a FMV unit to a CD32...

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)      /PGP key available/   T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                      F: (+44) 01225 732275
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Why is monosyllabic such a long word?

On 21-Nov-99, Alkis Tsapanidis wrote:

> they understand the damege they do to the Amiga computer.

Ehehe, thats funny, really funny. Anyone who trusts their system with any DC
stuff installed is either stupid or very gullible. Miami, datatypes, K...
need I go on. they've screwed up everything they got their hands on

Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Tree huggers unite! Someone has to love you.

On 21-Nov-99, Neil Bullock wrote:

>> You'll have to find your own category. Ben wins on quantity, Neil
>> wins on quality (spectacular ones). What's so special about /your/
>> crashes?

> I bet I could win the quantity category as well, with a bit of effort :)
> How about the most damage caused by crashes as another category? :)

The most spectacular ones must be awarded to any system running V 2.x and
running out of chipmem. Boy watch those colours fly! and the noise!. better
than any demo I've seen

Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

But soft! What beam thru yonder saucer section cuts? 'Tis the Borg.

On 21-Nov-99, Ben Chapman wrote:

> I'm in the Uk and use a PPC A1200T which at the moment crashes
> spectacularly. :)

Oh, forgot to mention the errrm, email tax, yeah thats it, email tax. Upon
joining this group, you must send 1 (one) ppc board to me directly for the
continuation of these services, yeah thats it, everyone cough up now!, keep
'em commin'

Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

I manufacture those tabletops, said Tom counterproductively.

Hi Ben
Somewhere around 22-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] MANAGE:
Last chance for OS3.5

> Well, I don't know why I was surprised. A massive total of five comments
> on OS3.5 have been received by Clare, just confirming this group's apathy
> to me. 

Just a bunch of lazy shites aren't we? ;) Although I have the excuse of not
owning it...

> Since we didn't get enough gallery entries this issue to be able to
> give you a spread of pictures, 

1 gallery submission worthy of 50 comming right up!, should be there by
now. Please don't say I'm too late, I need this 50 to get a faster
machine, thus enabling me to produce more images to help you with :D

> we need this OS3.5 comments page or we'll
> just have to go with an empty left-hand page. Send in your comments now!

"OS3.5 ate my hamster" - Me 

Yes you can quote me on that

Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Jeff Dahmer is so lonely for sex he can almost taste it.

On 22-Nov-99, Ben Vost wrote:

> Erm, why not do a reader review on something you actually have and have
> been using for some time - then you'll have a better idea of its
> capabilities...

I'll do a survey on my wallpaper I've had that for ages.

> Yesss. If there's something you don't like about the CD, or something you
> do like, you should tell us about it so we can act upon your suggestions
> (not just yours mind, everyone's).

Thats the problem though! I was halfway through doing one, and I realised
that every single option I chose was something like "Just the way it is" or
"perfect at the moment" it was pointless!. The AFCD has reached perfection,
thats why no-one fills the surveys in

Mash - praise me
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Shake, a man of note, wrote so many things to quote.

On 22-Nov-99, Ben Vost wrote:

> How can you guarantee it?

How can you guarentee there are no images from copyrighted sources in games
or apps. Ho can you be sure I haven't nicked a copyrighted logo from
somewhere for one of my 3D renders? (hell, that alone.jpg was probably
completely illegal!, tons of fisherprice stuff in that!)

I don't see how music is any more or less likely to get you nicked. has
anything like this every happened before?

And besides, we all have to include those AF_readme's with our work which
clear you of any liabilities anyway, so why worry. Give those legal twats
at future a slap.

Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

"I don't like price controls anymore than you" - Clinton.

Hi Matt Sealey

Somewhere around 22-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re:
Voting Results: FUN TIME - Should AF feature more Sexy babes on Cover?

>> And just so you know I was the one who said No.

> Saddooooo!

Ugggggh....errrrrr....ug!, no, I can't. NO!, I mustn't...agggghhhhhhhh......
I agree. there I said it. I agree with Matt. Am I a bad person now?

Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Don't you remember me? --Rimmer.

On 22-Nov-99, Ben Vost wrote:

>> Hey Ben!, how about getting a wet towel onto P5's arses and get them to
>> bundle 2097 with the Gx boards? they screwed up royally before by not
>> doing a quake deal, please don't let them give up a great chance like
>> this!!

> What gfx boards? Anyone here been waiting for months for their BV/CVPPC?

Maybe you should save the towel for yourself. Gx = G3, G4 etc. I didn't
mis-spell gfx ;)

In even simpler terms, make Phase5 bundle 2097 with the G-whatever boards,
please, thankyou.

Plus then there is the fact that people #HAVE# been waiting months for thier
PPC gfx boards anyway, haven't we been paying attention?

Mash - simple
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Beware. I'm armed and have suffered from PMS all my life.

The name's Vost, Ben Vost, licence to email=2E

> >> Wassup? Why is no-one sending us reader reviews; AFCD surveys;

> > Because they're old and hidden? I haven't actually seen one for
> > months=2E
=20
> The survey is always in the same place,

Which is where?  I do know (AFCDXX:+System+/Info/AFCD_survey=2Etxt) but
only because I just looked=2E That isn't exactly a popular directory to
visit so it doesn't stand out=2E

> and while the questions haven't been changed for ages, it's still a
> useful bit of feedback for us=2E

Okly Dokly=2E

> > Trouble is, there are loads of rules and stuff which I have to
> > read and check I've agreed to and it's boring, sorry!

> Okay=2E I'll make it reeeeaaally easy for those with low foreheads=2E

Well if you're gonna be like that I shan't bother! :)

> Read the bit in the HTML on the CD about submissions=2E You'll see
> that I've made it easier than ever, because it says "if you want to
> send a picture", or "if you want to send some software" and so on=2E

Oh, alright then=2E But again, because I (and presumably others) didn't
know about this I just assumed it hadn't changed=2E

> > Anyway, what I wanted to ask is, how come S Kroustallis got an mp2
> > on the CD this month?=20

> Probably because otherwise our reader selection would look really
> bare=2E We're currently reconsidering whether we are now sooo far
> under the radar that MODs will be allowable=2E

:)   TBH, I've always wondered why you don't just use mods=2E I know the
=A9 reason you give, but that's always broken by people sending in
reader games=2E

> Ben Vost=20

Paul C, who are mostly been eating acorns
--=20
=2E=2E=2E "It compiled, first screen came up?? Ship it!"
    --Bill Gates

Hi Matthew,

> Just a bunch of lazy shites aren't we? ;) Although I have the excuse of=

> not owning it...

Why not? Surely that's worth a comment on its own, like Fool's or Daniel
Thornton's.

> 1 gallery submission worthy of =A350 comming right up!, should be there=
 by
> now. Please don't say I'm too late, I need this =A350 to get a faster
> machine, thus enabling me to produce more images to help you with :D

Of course it's too late. It will go on AFCD49 now, which won't be in the
shops until 17th Jan, which means you'll get your cheque about the same
time if not a touch later.

All the best,
-- =

Ben Vost (x2337)      /PGP key available/   T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                      F: (+44) 01225 732275
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Oh my god, it's going to piss down!

Hi Matthew,

> Thats the problem though! I was halfway through doing one, and I realised
> that every single option I chose was something like "Just the way it is"
> or "perfect at the moment" it was pointless!. The AFCD has reached
> perfection, thats why no-one fills the surveys in

I'd certainly like to believe that was true, although the average mark given
the CD is only about 7.5 right now...

All the best,
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Editor, Amiga Format                      F: (+44) 01225 732275
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
try this: http://www.amiga.org

Greetings  Tim 

On 22-Nov-99, you wrote:

> _Replying to a message_:

>   By:  Darren <darren@kewley.demon.co.uk>
>  Via:  afb <afb@egroups.com>
> Dated:  21-Nov-99 23:20:05
> About:  [afb] Which Graphics software ?

> Hi Darren,

>> Does anyone know of a reasonable graphics package that can handle
>> JPEGs ?

> Photogenics, it handles JPEGs, and others swear by it, if you can
> figure out how to use it (all I can manage is resizing JPEGs with
> it).

Which version? I use 1.2, and a simpler bit of software have I never
used.

> Bye,
> Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

Regards

Andy
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-- Bertolt Brecht

Hi Andy

> >The deal Sony has is irrelevant - Tomb Raider would not do anything for
the
> >Amiga, apart from give some sad fools something to ... over. Sad fools
who
> >most probably already HAVE the Playstation version, the comics, and all
> >the silly Lara Croft lookie-likie 'jazz mags'.
>
> Talking of which, there now appears to be a "Lara Croft" magazine
> (called "Lara, the official Lara Croft magazine"), as advertised on page
> 28 in the Christmas issue of SFX.
>
> I kid you not.

Don't forget the Lar Croft 2000 Calendar

/me reaches for bucket...

Tatty byes
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compensate for the enormous gravitational field. They found their way to
Earth after getting lost foraging for gum leaves.

Hi

Bloody VNG crashing me. It always shafts my clock! :( 1978 my arse......

Mash
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Love cats? They spit on their hands and rub it all over!

Hi Andrew,

> So, if the group/writers themselves don't care about the copyright, does
> this mean I can get my mod on the CD?

> Oh, the group - work it out.  1987 is a clue.

If you've done a mod based on that other Drummond's work, then *I'd* be
interested to hear it at the least.

All the best,
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f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng.

Hi Matthew,

> Bloody VNG crashing me. It always shafts my clock! :( 1978 my arse.....=
=2E

Why aren't you using V=B3 yet?

All the best,
-- =

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"neil bothwick" <nei-@wire.net.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=37648

> Older software will only be fixed if someone releases a patch to
> SetFunction GetDiskObject().

THANX.
this was the answer i needed, but didn't wanted.
so lets wait.

CU
maarten

Hello Matthew

> Oh, forgot to mention the errrm, email tax, yeah thats it, email tax. Upon
> joining this group, you must send 1 (one) ppc board to me directly for the
> continuation of these services, yeah thats it, everyone cough up now!,
> keep 'em commin'

Tell you what... i'll swap it for one of those G4 boards.... lol

Actually, i'm pretty happy at the moment... just managed to get a 64mb simm
off someone which upped my ram to 82 mb... better than 34 mb that i had
before. :-)

Best Regards

Ben Chapman

Now i've settled in, maybe i can blither on something....

Trying desperately not to cross the thin line between "depression" and
"suicide", i have to ask - Are the G4 boards going to be compatible with the
software that exists for current ppc's?

The reason i ask this, is mainly from the previous question - "Why don't
Phase5 ship Wipeout2097 with G4 boards?"..........

As far as i thought i knew, ppc software would have to be recoded for G4....
thus a Wipeout bundle would be useless unless DI are planning a reprogram of
the thing.... and i haven't heard that at all...... 

Anyone care to correct me on this? :-)

Best regards

Ben (Not the Vost - believe me.. i get asked that all the time on IRC) Chapman

Hi Ben,

> Ben (Not the Vost - believe me.. i get asked that all the time on IRC)
> Chapman

If the idiots who frequent IRC knew me any better they'd know I never go on
IRC...

All the best,
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I don't have any solution, but I certainly admire the problem.

Alan L.M. Buxey said, 

> On 23 Nov 1999, Neil Bothwick wrote:

>> Some of us bought kit for our *Amigas* in Cologne :-O

> what? those really cool looking airbrushed Amiga towers?? 

That would have been *really* easy to carry onto the plane...

And I've just put my 4000 in a new tower. Are you thinking of the blue
one on the Schatztruhe stand? What the photos don't show is that the
Boing logo on the front of the case is actually a rotating ball :)


Neil
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Old age comes at a bad time.

Ben Vost said, 

> Hi Neil,

>> Some of us bought kit for our *Amigas* in Cologne :-O

> Oh, I brought home kit for my Amiga too,

I said "bought" not "brought". I also brought plenty of stuff home.

> and I have just spent in excess of 500 on it...

OK, I'll let you off then :)


Neil
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The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
http://www.wire.net.uk
-- 
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Hi Neil,

> And I've just put my 4000 in a new tower. Are you thinking of the blue
> one on the Schatztruhe stand? What the photos don't show is that the
> Boing logo on the front of the case is actually a rotating ball :)

Or the fact that Heinz spent 2000DM (about =A3670) just on the customisat=
ion
which took about two months...

All the best,
-- =

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Editor, Amiga Format                      F: (+44) 01225 732275
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I don't have any solution, but I certainly admire the problem.

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:59:58 +0000, Ben Vost wibbled...

> It *is* just paranoia. For God's sake, we're profitable! We're budgeted
> until the end of next year! Everything's okay! Aaarrgghh! What else do I
> have to say? As long as you lot keep buying the mag, we'll keep producing
> it.

Personally, I think AF is just looking after our health; we need exert
less energy now on turning the pages of AF, leaving our wrists free to
do other things, such as dialing the phone numbers for the dodgy lines
in the back of the magazine... :)

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On 22-Nov-99, Ben Vost wrote:


> That's not so simple these days Matt. Okay, Rich and I both have an A4000,
> but neither can be said to be "standard". We don't have a testbench
> machine that doesn't have any hacks or patches on it, and even if we did,
> where do you propose we get all these gfx cards from? You can't buy a PII
> except secondhand (we've actually got one of these, but it's not fully

I've got a PII :) no installed it yet waiting for 3.1 Roms to arrive because
the ZII busboard is in the way of the sockets and it will be an awkward sod
to get out again
See Ya
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Hi 
  I'm thinking of buying a whole new system in the near (Q1 next year
perhaps) That is why I do not own 3.5 yet.  The Boxer ships with it. 
I would think any other Amigaclones will ship with it too.  I am just
hanging on a little longer to see which system offers the best road
for future developement.  Until then I will stay with my patched and
hacked O.S. 3.0 as all I do is read emails and surf now.  My machine
is too far behind to be a worthy games machine.  
  Talking of games... T-Zero.  I bought this game against my better
judgement as CB was doing some offer on it.  Well I shouldn't have
bothered.  Not my type of game at all 80(  That was money I could have
spent on 3.5 or put aside for a new system.  Oh well.  I hope all will
change when we have G4  I personally cannot wait to see what World
Foundry have in store for us 80)
Peace
Zanthras

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Hi Everybody,

>> Why could'nt they do the Playstation version?....The playstation versi=
on
>> is so much better...for one it has good music (Firestarter comes quick=
ly
>> to mind) and it has multiplayer games...I have a copy of the PC versio=
n
>> and I seem to get messed up lighting in the background something which=
 I
>> also cannot remember happening on the playstation version.
> =

> The PC version was much cheaper to license for exactly that reason - th=
e
> music.

   Um, y'know, maybe the reason is simply that the Playstation version is=
 written in hand optimised PSX asm, while the PC version is in C, thus be=
ing /slightly/ easer to do a port of?

See ya :)
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by United Artists as an exploitation film, so that they could
market The Beatle's soundtrack album. At a measly budget of
$(AUS)350,000, it was shot, edited and released in three months.
--The Miscellanea Digest

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> In even simpler terms, make Phase5 bundle 2097 with the G-whatever boards,
> please, thankyou.

LOL! WO2097 uses WarpUP and Warp3D....Phase5 bundling s/w that uses its
nemesis' kernel!! 8-)
 
alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
> 
> > So, if the group/writers themselves don't care about the copyright, does
> > this mean I can get my mod on the CD?
> 
> > Oh, the group - work it out.  1987 is a clue.
> 
> If you've done a mod based on that other Drummond's work, then *I'd* be
> interested to hear it at the least.

so would I :-)

(whhoah! <me too> territory!!)

alan

Hi Everybody,

>> In even simpler terms, make Phase5 bundle 2097 with the G-whatever boa=
rds,
>> please, thankyou.
> =

> LOL! WO2097 uses WarpUP and Warp3D....Phase5 bundling s/w that uses its=

> nemesis' kernel!! 8-)

   Thats funny, I was /sure/ that they were using HP's 68k emulator with =
WarpOS on them.... were they not?

See ya :)
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On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Ben Chapman wrote:

> Now i've settled in, maybe i can blither on something....
> 
> Trying desperately not to cross the thin line between "depression" and
> "suicide", i have to ask - Are the G4 boards going to be compatible with the
> software that exists for current ppc's?

ummm..well, that depends what solution you use the card with
 
> The reason i ask this, is mainly from the previous question - "Why don't
> Phase5 ship Wipeout2097 with G4 boards?"..........
> 
> As far as i thought i knew, ppc software would have to be recoded for G4....
> thus a Wipeout bundle would be useless unless DI are planning a reprogram of
> the thing.... and i haven't heard that at all...... 

no...the G3 and G4 can run older PPC code generated for 603/604..but you
lose benefit of better caches etc - need a G3/G4 compiler for best
results (oh, and to use AltiVec etc)

now, the trouble....WO2097 uses WarpUP, as do a lot of other PPC
programs..Phase5 could b real arses (like they hav been recently with
the latest FlashUpdate) and disable WarpUP stuff (or, like recent
update, cause nice utils like ppclibemu - which allows you to run
powerup programs under warpup - to fail)

alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Andrew Crowe wrote:

>    Thats funny, I was /sure/ that they were using HP's 68k emulator with WarpOS on them.... were they not?

no, they're using their own 68k emulation..and it'll all be under QNX if
they can get away with it

alan

Daphne and Portia along with Agnus were in the A1000 chipset



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1.  Is it possible to hold down a key while booting, to modify the boot
process?  I have a second startup-sequence that I would like to execute
instead of the normal one if I held down the Esc key, for example.  Can I
add some commands at the very beginning of the normal startup-sequence to
execute the other script if the Esc key is detected?

2.  Is there a util e.g. on Aminet that is kinda like the reverse of
KillOldIcon, i.e. put the standard drawer icons back into the icons but
leaving the NewIcon image and snapshotted position untouched?

Cheers,
Matt W

"We are the ones with real creativity.  The PC is just a tool." - Comment in
AF a while back, but oh so true...

> If the idiots who frequent IRC knew me any better they'd know I
> never go on
> IRC...
>
> Ben Vost

That's a rather sweeping generalisation don't you think? Or are you really
calling me and a fairly good number of the other list members idiots?

Olls advice for today:
Read mail --> THINK --> Reply

See ya later,
Oll
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Hello Ben

> If the idiots who frequent IRC knew me any better they'd know I never go
> on IRC...

Can i quote you on that please? :-))


Best Regards

Ben (haha.. the idiots on irc.....hey wait a minute... /i /go on irc....) Chapman

Hello redvers@bigfoot.com

On 23-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Ben asked for a one liner on OS3.5 to be mailed to Clare Hatfield, which 5
> people (including myself) sent. 

  Great, you'll be quoted as a pioneer :)

> Apathy seemed to have affected the other
> 850 or so people on here, so Ben (rightly so IMHO) had a go at everyone.

  Well, I was willing to send something in the first place, but I felt so
incompetent that I decided to ask  a  few questions to the list before I
did.  Never got any answer,  even from you :)
> 
> All of a sudden we're getting essay after essay on what people think of
> it, sent to the list, and some of it is quite frankly not what you'd want
> printed in an international magazine with your name next to it! :-)

  I suppose the editor will be clever enough to choose what he thinks
is worth publishing, and even feel free to select paragraphs that might 
be of some interest :)
> 
> The worst part is, the original five of us who did reply are going to look
> bad in comparison as we only wrote one line and not half a page!

   Well, one line expressing a sensible opinion is better than a ten-line 
propaganda message. Who are you blaming BTW? If you had 40 
more lines to add, you could have sent them to the list as well :)

  Patrice - adding smileys everywhere from now on :)

Hi Everybody,

> 1.  Is it possible to hold down a key while booting, to modify the boot=

> process?  I have a second startup-sequence that I would like to execute=

> instead of the normal one if I held down the Esc key, for example.  Can=
 I
> add some commands at the very beginning of the normal startup-sequence =
to
> execute the other script if the Esc key is detected?

   I have a little program called 'warnifpressed' which I can't remember =
where it got it from. It lets me run diferent types of startup if a CD32p=
ad button or a mouse button is pressed:

eg.

=2E..
warnifpressed LMB

if warn
   exec startup2
endif
=2E..


If you can't find I copy I'll mail it

See ya :)
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"alan l.m. buxey" <kcci-@central.susx.ac.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=37723

> 
> why should you need to program the modem more than its default decent
> factory setting? :-)
> 
> alan
> 

Difficult to answer considering I don't know what its default setting
is...

JJ

"sealey, m." <mws-@leicester.ac.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=37573
> Try init AT&F\r
> 
> and nothing for the exit.
> 
Well, I tried it but I'm still getting the same problem when I try and
dial in to Compuserve with Miami:
"Configuring PPP level LCP."
"Please wait..."

...and then it hangs.

:-(

JJ

On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:03:38 +0100, Matthew O'Neill wrote:
 
> Turbo print man.....the gfx proggy included will give excellent quality and
> above all speed. printing from it allows you to scale the image to any
> size, orientation etc and will go as fast as the printer can take it (on my
> 030 it does...)


Great, I intended to buy turboprint as I have been told it would make
full use of the printer and has updated drivers. I did not know that
it is more than just a "printer driver/spooler".

Just as well as my old copy of Dpaint just does not cut it when it
comes to JPEGs.


-- 
Darren

email : darren@kewley.demon.co.uk
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Isn't it nice having a computer that only needs booting once per day !

Just wondering if anyone has had any luck dialing in to their
Compuserve POP3 mail account?

I have no problem with my PC but if I transfer the same settings (where
possible) to the Amiga all I can do is send.

When I try to Get mail the password fails yet I've set it to the same
one I've always used for Compuserve...

JJ (UK)

Matthew O'Neill said, 

>> Well, I don't know why I was surprised. A massive total of five comments
>> on OS3.5 have been received by Clare, just confirming this group's apathy
>> to me. 

> Just a bunch of lazy shites aren't we? ;) Although I have the excuse of not
> owning it...

That's not stopped you commenting so far...

:-)


Neil
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On Tue, Nov 23, 1999 at 06:06:08PM +0000, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

> dual-shock/analogue 3D control was used way before Ape Escape

Very little gained any advantage from it. Driving games, yes, but other
than that I can't think of many Playstation games that really take
advantage of the dual-shock/analogue stuff (FF8, for example, gains
precisely nothing from it)

> no, it'd be better with an indiana Jones figure..but still

Ah - Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine, anyone?

> isolated opinion..as the sales figures of TR and its merchandise would
> testify

Popular perception of something as being good doesn't necessarily make it
so. Personally, I found the series immensely tedious and kept trying to
throw the joypad through the screen because the fairly horrible control
method was annoying me so much. My sister loved it though. I have no idea
what this proves...

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

Hello Oliver

>> If the idiots who frequent IRC knew me any better they'd know I

idots..... Erm well what can I say Guess Uni are wrong about me 

>> never go on
>> IRC...

Well if you don't use IRC that's up to you Free world and all that... But
plz don't Tar everyone with the same brush.... We're not all kiddies you
know...

>> 
>> Ben Vost
> 
> That's a rather sweeping generalisation don't you think? Or are you really
> calling me and a fairly good number of the other list members idiots?
> 
> Olls advice for today:
> Read mail --> THINK --> Reply

Tell ya what if any of you out there think us IRC heads are kiddies plz feel
free to pop in and chat to us.... It's much more Instant than this mailling
list for example.....

Regards
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On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> Popular perception of something as being good doesn't necessarily make it
> so. 

  I don't like Celine Dion, millions do.  I'm not going to elevate my
opinion above thiers.  Back to the game.  These people are having fun and
enjoying thier consoles.  You're looking too deeply into it and want more.

> Personally, I found the series immensely tedious and kept trying to
> throw the joypad through the screen because the fairly horrible control
> method was annoying me so much. My sister loved it though. I have no idea
> what this proves...

  I've got no bone with the control system, but the "explore, switch,
fight, explore, switch, fight" system of gameplay is nothing new.  I found
it tedious in Doom, less so in Tomb Raider.


bye,
  Chris

I just read a /very/ interesting mail where you said about [afb] Re: PFS3 (was Oh dear... something's broke) + plug for afb-ot!:
 
> > Could this be? Another fellow Brightonian?!
 
> hmm, or someone close...

Obviously no-one's paying attention ;)  I live in East Sussex and not
particularly far from Brighton. In fact this is the third time
Brighton has been the topic of conversation - the first time someone
called Davy living in Kemptown owned up but he's vanished.

> Brighton Amiga Group ..if thats your BAG ;-)...

Oh dear, oh dear...

> alan

Paul C, saying no more in case Ben mentions "lost souls" (or "soles"
seeing as it's Brighton </poor_joke>)
-- 
 ... "OK Mom, I'm going to hypnotize you now," said Tom transparently.

MSGTO: Sam Byford
SUBJECT: [afb] Re: MANAGE: Last chance for OS3.5

> > What are you on about, Sam Byford?
 
> What am I on about?  I could ask you the same thing!  Try reading
> Manage: posts!

Manage: posts? What are they?
 
> > > Bifford the Youngest.
> > 
> > Still?
> 
> What do you mean still?  Im not exactly going to suddenly age and
> overtake my brother in the amount of years I`ve been alive am I?

Well you might have a new baby brother/sister/cousin/son/daughter.
What are you gonna do when that happens, eh?
 
> > ... Top Oxymorons Number 38: Government organization 
 
>              ^^^^^^
> Moron is the right word for you here I think!

Charmed, I'm sure.
> 
> 
> Bifford THE YOUNGEST!

Paul C, btw all your writing is black on black at the moment so I've
probably quoted it all wrong!
-- 

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, TwIsT wrote:
> Well if you don't use IRC that's up to you Free world and all that... But
> plz don't Tar everyone with the same brush.... We're not all kiddies you
> know...

  ...after all it's the people in mailing lists that are quick to bite and
overparanoid.  ;)


bye,
  Chris

On Tue, Nov 23, 1999 at 09:02:53PM +0000, Wesley Potter wrote:
> Daphne and Portia along with Agnus were in the A1000 chipset

They'd been renamed Denise and Paula before the A1000 was released.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

> It *is* just paranoia. For God's sake, we're profitable! We're budgeted
> until the end of next year! Everything's okay! Aaarrgghh! What else do I
> have to say? As long as you lot keep buying the mag, we'll keep producing
> it.

Yes, but are you going to close? =o)



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WINDOWS: Will Install Needless Data On Whole System

> If you've done a mod based on that other Drummond's work, then *I'd* be=

> interested to hear it at the least.

Ahhh, you can't do that. You deplore modules. You hold a position of resp=
ect among the Amiga errr... fraternity (there didn't say community (d'oh!=
)). You can't just go back on your principles like that!



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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
so long and thanks for all the fish
      http://fly.to/Mr_Tickle
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Real meanings #1:
MS-WINDOWS: Mighty Slow When Its Not Dealing Only With Solitaire

"ben vost" <ben.vos-@futurenet.co.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=37582
> Hi all,
> 
> Well, I don't know why I was surprised. A massive total of five
comments on
> OS3.5 have been received by Clare, just confirming this group's
apathy to
> me. Since we didn't get enough gallery entries this issue to be able
to
> give you a spread of pictures, we need this OS3.5 comments page or
we'll
> just have to go with an empty left-hand page. Send in your comments
now!

    I think OS 3.5 is very good and do not have any regrets about
getting it. The only problem I had installing it was my Workbench
partition being to small I had to repartition my hard drive. Haveing
used new icons for some time i find the glow icons of os 3.5 as part of
the system a good idea.  Hope this helps you and is a day a long enough
time to give people to reply to such a request I personally only came
across it about 22.30 on the 23rd.
       

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:08:44 +0000, Ben Vost wibbled...

> I'd certainly like to believe that was true, although the average mark given
> the CD is only about 7.5 right now...

The only real problem with the CD is there's never anything on it that
really catches my eye to use; how about creating a new drawer for
software that is excellent (in the AF team's opinion, natch.).

And drop the Reader-Requests drawer and amalgamate it with the serious
and games drawers; it'd be a lot easier to find stuff then.


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"david odlin" <dodli-@compuserve.com> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=37826
> "ben vost" <ben.vos-@futurenet.co.uk> wrote: 
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=37582
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > Well, I don't know why I was surprised. A massive total of five
> comments on
> > OS3.5 have been received by Clare, just confirming this group's
> apathy to
> > me. Since we didn't get enough gallery entries this issue to be able
> to
> > give you a spread of pictures, we need this OS3.5 comments page or
> we'll
> > just have to go with an empty left-hand page. Send in your comments
> now!
> 
>     I think OS 3.5 is very good and do not have any regrets about
> getting it. The only problem I had installing it was my Workbench
> partition being to small I had to repartition my hard drive. Haveing
> used new icons for some time i find the glow icons of os 3.5 as part
of
> the system a good idea.  Hope this helps you and is a day a long
enough
> time to give people to reply to such a request I personally only came
> across it about 22.30 on the 23rd.


What I don't get about the OS3.5 installation is the need for 20Mb of
space free 
on the drive you're installing to, but when I finished my installation
it only
took up 3MB. I didn't install the crappy (sad) backgrounds or any of the
internet applications, except Miami, it and the OS3.5 icons are the
only thing
worth buying the whole package for.

My final comment, OS3.5 was a waste of time and money, since installing
it I've
had no benefit what so ever from it, apart from having some VERY NICE
looking
icons on my OPUS Magellan desktop.

Hi Everybody,

>> dual-shock/analogue 3D control was used way before Ape Escape
> =

> Very little gained any advantage from it. Driving games, yes, but other=

> than that I can't think of many Playstation games that really take
> advantage of the dual-shock/analogue stuff (FF8, for example, gains
> precisely nothing from it)

   Nu-uh, it's much easer to walk around in FF8 using the analogue sticks=
 then the digital pad, and the rumble effect is a novelty as well. Infact=
 most games do gain from having finer analogue controls, and the builtin-=
nosillybatteriesliken64ones rumble packs are good to.

Actually, I personally think that PSX dual-shock's are the best pad desig=
n I've ever used, and I have used quite a few...


See ya :)
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Hello Ben Vost, on 23-Nov-99 19:07:42 you said about:
  [afb] Re: MANAGE: Last chance for OS3.5 

>Hi Matthew,

>> Just a bunch of lazy shites aren't we? ;) Although I have the excuse of
>> not owning it...

>Why not? Surely that's worth a comment on its own, like Fool's or Daniel
>Thornton's.

What about "I haven't bought it as I can't afford it. Not because it's
too expensive, but because I just don't have the money"?

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Oh let me put it another way. Way back in the August edition of
Commodore Format. They were mentioning about Amstrad Action closing
down saying it was the end of an era. Afterall it was Future's first
publication. Anyway the went on to say "We'd like to put paid to right
now - CF (commodore format) has life left in it, as hopefully as this
month's issue shows. If you keep using your C64 (and, of course,
shelling out =A33.25 a month(, you'll always have a magazine to read.

Now =A33.25 a month was a lot of month for 22 pages. Even the front cover
wasn't on shiny paper. So as Ben says as long as you buy the mag then
we do have a future. Honest!


peter gordon <mrtickl-@amiga4k.ndo.co.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=3D37824
> > It *is* just paranoia. For God's sake, we're profitable! We're
budgeted
> > until the end of next year! Everything's okay! Aaarrgghh! What else
do I
> > have to say? As long as you lot keep buying the mag, we'll keep
producing
> > it.
> 
> Yes, but are you going to close? =3Do)
> 

On 22-Nov-99 19:00:28 GMT, Anthony Prime wrote:

> Following on from the Lloyds thread, I know a few of you were asking
> about Barclays online banking a little while ago.
>
> It couldn't be used by any Amiga browser, but the times they are a
> changin' :)
>
> The Banks online service is being relaunched with additional features
> and simplified access requirements. I honestly don't know if we will
> be able to make use of it, but for the record I assume JS is being
> dropped as it is now to be "firewall friendly".

Dunno why they needed to drop JS entirely - they could have still
used it for rollover buttons and such like.  But, I think you're maybe
right - the online application doesn't appear to use JS anymore,
which I never could get working.

Now though, it works just fine with IB2 even with spoofing off :)

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On 22-Nov-99 21:43:22 GMT, Anthony Prime wrote:

> Follow up to earlier post...
>
> Actually I have just tried to apply for the Barclays service and I am
> told by the server that V3 does not support a sufficient key length
> for encyption :(

Yay!  Something IB2 can do better than V3 :)  More specifically, IB2
using MiamiSSL allowed me to complete my application - just got to
wait 14 days for them to snail-mail my account details.

FYI, the SSL cipher used when accessing the site was ARCFOUR-MD5 -
I guess V3 does not support that???

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On 23 Nov 99 Neil Bothwick wrote about '[afb] Re: Consoles'.

 NB> Some of us bought kit for our *Amigas* in Cologne :-O

And some of us can't use it! :)

Simon Archer - extreme lurker

> There's been a rumour flying around that we are to close. Don't worry,
we're
> not, and if you guys hear anything like that, please stamp on it. You can
> rest assured that I will give as much notice as possible on here, if the
> situation arises where we are going to close the mag, but we're budgeted
> all through next year.
>
OK Ben if you aren't closing why has the magazine turned in a panthlet!....I
would be scared you are facing compition from AmigaActive and The Big Issue!
(
sorry!)...

Michael

Website: www.MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk (still not here)
Email: Michael@MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk

Machines used:
A1200T with Z3, 160MHz PPC 603e/25Mhz '040, 18 MB (2MB Chip, 16MB Fast)
A500 with GVP HD+,5MB RAM (0.5MB Chip,4.5MB Fast), kickstart 1.2/2.5, 3 ext
floppys, Z2 slot
CD32 with SX-1, 10MB (2MB Chip, 8MB Fast)
Fried/Dead unexpanded A1200

As for generating extra funds, I, (and I think many others), have stacks of
AF's sitting in the corner of a room.  I'm desperate for some AF binders,
but they're not available.  Why not?  Surely, when binders for PC Format
are ordered, why can't they order a few thousand with the PC scribbled out
and Amiga printed in its place?  Even at the old price of 10 for two
binders, I'd probaly spend 70......the price of two years subscription!!
The same goes for clothing, I'm gagging to get some branded Amiga gear,
and Alive are getting some in stock......that's another missed opportunity
for AF to generate some extra cash.

I alway like the binders....I could never get any though....what a good
idea?

Ben if you want to get paid...heres the option!

Michael

Website: www.MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk (still not here)
Email: Michael@MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk

Machines used:
A1200T with Z3, 160MHz PPC 603e/25Mhz '040, 18 MB (2MB Chip, 16MB Fast)
A500 with GVP HD+,5MB RAM (0.5MB Chip,4.5MB Fast), kickstart 1.2/2.5, 3 ext
floppys, Z2 slot
CD32 with SX-1, 10MB (2MB Chip, 8MB Fast)
Fried/Dead unexpanded A1200

> > Why could'nt they do the Playstation version?....The playstation version
> > is so much better...for one it has good music (Firestarter comes quickly
> > to mind) and it has multiplayer games...I have a copy of the PC version
> > and I seem to get messed up lighting in the background something which I
> > also cannot remember happening on the playstation version.
>
> The PC version was much cheaper to license for exactly that reason - the
> music.
>
Yes I agree...though the music made the game I though....the prodigy really
went well with Wipeout...being able to nodd you head to firstarter while
trying to
come first with raper (or whatever!) really please me


Michael

Website: www.MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk (still not here)
Email: Michael@MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk

Machines used:
A1200T with Z3, 160MHz PPC 603e/25Mhz '040, 18 MB (2MB Chip, 16MB Fast)
A500 with GVP HD+,5MB RAM (0.5MB Chip,4.5MB Fast), kickstart 1.2/2.5, 3 ext
floppys, Z2 slot
CD32 with SX-1, 10MB (2MB Chip, 8MB Fast)
Fried/Dead unexpanded A1200

> >> Oh dear, we don't have a Pixel64, BVisionPPC or CVisionPPC
> >> (or any of the other cards I mentioned before).
>
> > Huh? Are you sure?
>
Which lead me to ask...do they still own their Amigas or did they have
to sell them to make up for lost earnings?

> > What happened to those lovely review boards, did you have to
> > give them back?
>
> > Surely SOMEONE has a BVision at AF?
>
> Nope. Those people who don't like advertising also don't like leaving
> product with us, because the people who make the product don't make review
> samples.
>
Too expensive...no-one at AF is payed any more!...Future don't like to pay
people
it costs to much!!

Michael

Website: www.MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk (still not here)
Email: Michael@MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk

Machines used:
A1200T with Z3, 160MHz PPC 603e/25Mhz '040, 18 MB (2MB Chip, 16MB Fast)
A500 with GVP HD+,5MB RAM (0.5MB Chip,4.5MB Fast), kickstart 1.2/2.5, 3 ext
floppys, Z2 slot
CD32 with SX-1, 10MB (2MB Chip, 8MB Fast)
Fried/Dead unexpanded A1200

Unfortunately, if it were as simple as that, then it would be done. Believe
me, the folk at Future want to make AF a profitable concern, and that's why
the mag's still running even at 92 pages - because it makes money, but
binders, clothes, etc. won't, and that's why they aren't produced.

How come Future's mags for the Playstation still have cloths and
stuff...from what
I can remember!

Michael

Website: www.MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk (still not here)
Email: Michael@MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk

Machines used:
A1200T with Z3, 160MHz PPC 603e/25Mhz '040, 18 MB (2MB Chip, 16MB Fast)
A500 with GVP HD+,5MB RAM (0.5MB Chip,4.5MB Fast), kickstart 1.2/2.5, 3 ext
floppys, Z2 slot
CD32 with SX-1, 10MB (2MB Chip, 8MB Fast)
Fried/Dead unexpanded A1200

> > Another thing that pissed me off...well maybe...it that on the
Playstation
> > version
> > the music is held on CD tracks (so if you wanted you could play it on
your
> > hifi). The
> > PC version had the music in a file,
>
> The Amiga version has the music as standard CD audio tracks.
>
Good I will buy it for an early christmas prizzy...and they copy the
playstation
tracks in replace of the Amiga music ones...nice here comes the prodigy

I must know order Amiga OS 3.5 and Wipeout 2097...oh and I must also get a
graphics card :\/)

>
> Neil

Michael

Website: www.MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk (still not here)
Email: Michael@MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk

Machines used:
A1200T with Z3, 160MHz PPC 603e/25Mhz '040, 18 MB (2MB Chip, 16MB Fast)
A500 with GVP HD+,5MB RAM (0.5MB Chip,4.5MB Fast), kickstart 1.2/2.5, 3 ext
floppys, Z2 slot
CD32 with SX-1, 10MB (2MB Chip, 8MB Fast)
Fried/Dead unexpanded A1200

Hi Matthew, on 23-Nov-99, at 23:58:37, you wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 23, 1999 at 09:02:53PM +0000,
> Wesley Potter wrote:

>> Daphne and Portia along with Agnus were in the
>> A1000 chipset

> They'd been renamed Denise and Paula before the
> A1000 was released.

In the comprehensive Byte preview of August 1985,
the A1000 chipset is not named.  And on Jay Miner's
slides from 1986 it is Denise and Paula, like you say.
(The A500 and A2000 were launched in March 1987.)

So, apart from the ICPUG Newsletter, where are Daphne
and Portia mentioned?


Regards,

Armin

> Reading through PCPro at work during my lunch break, I couldn't help
> but notice the Retro article. Lo and behold, the Amiga was present,
> with it's custom chip "Paula, Daphne, and Agnus". Who the hell is
> Daphne?!
>
I think they mean Denise....stupid PC know nothing want-to-be nerds
with their sad little lives locked away in the cupboard and only released
when a new Pentium chip is on the market so they can waste their time and
money on it!!!!!!!

Michael

Website: www.MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk (still not here)
Email: Michael@MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk

Machines used:
A1200T with Z3, 160MHz PPC 603e/25Mhz '040, 18 MB (2MB Chip, 16MB Fast)
A500 with GVP HD+,5MB RAM (0.5MB Chip,4.5MB Fast), kickstart 1.2/2.5, 3 ext
floppys, Z2 slot
CD32 with SX-1, 10MB (2MB Chip, 8MB Fast)
Fried/Dead unexpanded A1200

> > Due out sometime before the Dolphin appears, and supposedly compatible
> > with the Dolphin in some strange unknowable way..
>
> probably plugs into the controller - like the Dreamcast PDV's

Nintendo normally come up with the ideas first...anyone remember
the D pad, rumble pack, etc

Michael

Website: www.MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk (still not here)
Email: Michael@MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk

Machines used:
A1200T with Z3, 160MHz PPC 603e/25Mhz '040, 18 MB (2MB Chip, 16MB Fast)
A500 with GVP HD+,5MB RAM (0.5MB Chip,4.5MB Fast), kickstart 1.2/2.5, 3 ext
floppys, Z2 slot
CD32 with SX-1, 10MB (2MB Chip, 8MB Fast)
Fried/Dead unexpanded A1200

> Talking of which, there now appears to be a "Lara Croft" magazine
> (called "Lara, the official Lara Croft magazine"), as advertised on page
> 28 in the Christmas issue of SFX.
>
> I kid you not.
>
Oh my god...what does it contain Lara with computer generated tits?

or is it a Lara says buy my new game and a Ferrari would'nt go a miss...


Michael

Website: www.MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk (still not here)
Email: Michael@MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk

Machines used:
A1200T with Z3, 160MHz PPC 603e/25Mhz '040, 18 MB (2MB Chip, 16MB Fast)
A500 with GVP HD+,5MB RAM (0.5MB Chip,4.5MB Fast), kickstart 1.2/2.5, 3 ext
floppys, Z2 slot
CD32 with SX-1, 10MB (2MB Chip, 8MB Fast)
Fried/Dead unexpanded A1200

Not really, it looks nice, but that's it - it hasn't changed the
functionality of my PSX. However, my Amiga is now a top-notch beastie,
albeit PPC-free atm.

Ben:

Don't forget it does not have a graphics card according to your earlier
mail....


Michael

Website: www.MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk (still not here)
Email: Michael@MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk

Machines used:
A1200T with Z3, 160MHz PPC 603e/25Mhz '040, 18 MB (2MB Chip, 16MB Fast)
A500 with GVP HD+,5MB RAM (0.5MB Chip,4.5MB Fast), kickstart 1.2/2.5, 3 ext
floppys, Z2 slot
CD32 with SX-1, 10MB (2MB Chip, 8MB Fast)
Fried/Dead unexpanded A1200

> http://www.simplygames.co.uk have good prices for the base unit (170 inc
P&P)
> but I am not sure if that will last beyond Xmas.  Games can be found at
several
> online stores, but I find http://www.gamestreet.co.uk to be the best as
they
> do special offers when a game comes out, e.g. 35.99 for "House of the
Dead 2"
> with light-gun (it's 59.99 in the shops).  Unfortunately they're out of
stock
> so I'm having to wait a week for delivery of it.

Well if you look at Special Reserves prices they have really stuck up the
price of
128MB DIMMs....159 or something silly...though if you look in the Aug/Sept
issue the prices were around 40 cheaper (they have done this just for the
christmas rush ofcourse!!!)

Michael

Website: www.MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk (still not here)
Email: Michael@MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk

Machines used:
A1200T with Z3, 160MHz PPC 603e/25Mhz '040, 18 MB (2MB Chip, 16MB Fast)
A500 with GVP HD+,5MB RAM (0.5MB Chip,4.5MB Fast), kickstart 1.2/2.5, 3 ext
floppys, Z2 slot
CD32 with SX-1, 10MB (2MB Chip, 8MB Fast)
Fried/Dead unexpanded A1200

> > Some of us bought kit for our *Amigas* in Cologne :-O
>
> ;-)
>
> what? those really cool looking airbrushed Amiga towers??
>
Damn it....I wish I went to Germany!!!!!!!!!!

I will be going to the 'World Of Amiga' this year for sure...I will
be there with a wod of cash!!!

Neil, will you have a stand there...or maybe I should be asking
Andrew?

Michael

Website: www.MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk (still not here)
Email: Michael@MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk

Machines used:
A1200T with Z3, 160MHz PPC 603e/25Mhz '040, 18 MB (2MB Chip, 16MB Fast)
A500 with GVP HD+,5MB RAM (0.5MB Chip,4.5MB Fast), kickstart 1.2/2.5, 3 ext
floppys, Z2 slot
CD32 with SX-1, 10MB (2MB Chip, 8MB Fast)
Fried/Dead unexpanded A1200

> > Another thing that pissed me off...well maybe...it that on the
Playstation
> > version
> > the music is held on CD tracks (so if you wanted you could play it on
your
> > hifi). The
> > PC version had the music in a file, so there is no chance that you could
> > make your own
> > version with other CD music (ie copying the Wipeout CD track one and
putting
> > all your
> > other music on the other tracks). Psynosis I think went down hill after
they
> > were bought by
> > Sony.
>
> the Amiga version are CD audio tracks..thats why music doesnt work with
> certain CDROMs, they cant do CDDA
>
I haven't got it for my Amiga yet....I would have to buy a graphics card to
use it :\/(

Michael

Website: www.MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk (still not here)
Email: Michael@MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk

Machines used:
A1200T with Z3, 160MHz PPC 603e/25Mhz '040, 18 MB (2MB Chip, 16MB Fast)
A500 with GVP HD+,5MB RAM (0.5MB Chip,4.5MB Fast), kickstart 1.2/2.5, 3 ext
floppys, Z2 slot
CD32 with SX-1, 10MB (2MB Chip, 8MB Fast)
Fried/Dead unexpanded A1200

> > Why don't AmigaFormat and AmigaActive team up and try to get a bundle
pack
> > arraged where you can buy a G4 card, graphics card (mini PCI thing),
> > SCSI/IDE controller (depending on your preference!) and Wipeout
2097....I
> > remember some of Commodore best good point were there bundles!
>
> ;-) well, firstly we actually have to *have* G4 cards and miniPCI gfx
> cards...so lets wait until..oh, March for those shall we, before working
> out some bundle strategy
>

I think its better planning to plan something before rather than after which
seems to be
your reasoning...Do think Sega's Dreamcast would have succedded without alot
of careful
planning?...I don't

Michael

Website: www.MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk (still not here)
Email: Michael@MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk

Machines used:
A1200T with Z3, 160MHz PPC 603e/25Mhz '040, 18 MB (2MB Chip, 16MB Fast)
A500 with GVP HD+,5MB RAM (0.5MB Chip,4.5MB Fast), kickstart 1.2/2.5, 3 ext
floppys, Z2 slot
CD32 with SX-1, 10MB (2MB Chip, 8MB Fast)
Fried/Dead unexpanded A1200

>
> ...but you can BUY a PC an emulate an Amiga....now, wheres that BoXeR?
>
You seem to be suggesting that we should emulate a Amiga rather than buying
a BoXeR...or are you just commenting on the lateness of the BoXeR?

Michael

Website: www.MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk (still not here)
Email: Michael@MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk

Machines used:
A1200T with Z3, 160MHz PPC 603e/25Mhz '040, 18 MB (2MB Chip, 16MB Fast)
A500 with GVP HD+,5MB RAM (0.5MB Chip,4.5MB Fast), kickstart 1.2/2.5, 3 ext
floppys, Z2 slot
CD32 with SX-1, 10MB (2MB Chip, 8MB Fast)
Fried/Dead unexpanded A1200

> For the past two years now. Which is a damn shame because everytime I
decided
> to buy an A4000 there was news in the mags that `... the Boxer is to be
> released within a few weeks now...' . So as it seems this fast iWin
emulation
> could be a good alternative to a lot of us. Sure I would like special
Amiga
> hardware but if that is not going to happen I'll have to settle for second
> best. I say we have to wait for the review of the machines....
>
I would rather buy a A4000 with PPC than a PC running shit emulation
software!

I have seen an A4000 for 180 with 40MHZ 040..nice...if the BoXeR never
comes!

Michael

Website: www.MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk (still not here)
Email: Michael@MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk

Machines used:
A1200T with Z3, 160MHz PPC 603e/25Mhz '040, 18 MB (2MB Chip, 16MB Fast)
A500 with GVP HD+,5MB RAM (0.5MB Chip,4.5MB Fast), kickstart 1.2/2.5, 3 ext
floppys, Z2 slot
CD32 with SX-1, 10MB (2MB Chip, 8MB Fast)
Fried/Dead unexpanded A1200

> Note Goldeneye, arguably the best fps game on the planet.
>
> Note Tomorrow Never Dies, delayed for two years and still looking
> like a crock of poo. Yes, TND is shit - confirmed - because it's
> yet-another-mixed-genre-game-trying-to-be-Tomb-Raider-but-with-
> other-characters.
>
007 on the playstation looked like a crap rip off of the Goldeneye anyway!

> Sometimes the exclusive licenses work. It worked to Goldeneye's
> advantage (no other company would have made as good a game as Rare)
>
Goldeneye (the game) plot did not follow the film plot to well...it has mass
gaps
in it!!

> I don't see why NOT having Tomb Raider is a disadvantage to the
> Amiga anyway. Tomb Raider sucks, it's got the nastiest control
> system on the planet, and the most mundane unoriginal plot and
> gameplay trip going, with all that running around aimlessly past
> things you've already seen because you missed a handhold when
> swinging over those same wolves for the EIGHTH time..
>
I agree....Tomb Raider isn't very good....the orignal programmers left
when they were told there was a sequel, lots lots of money in the process
to!!!

Michael

Website: www.MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk (still not here)
Email: Michael@MysticalAmiga.Freeserve.co.uk

Machines used:
A1200T with Z3, 160MHz PPC 603e/25Mhz '040, 18 MB (2MB Chip, 16MB Fast)
A500 with GVP HD+,5MB RAM (0.5MB Chip,4.5MB Fast), kickstart 1.2/2.5, 3 ext
floppys, Z2 slot
CD32 with SX-1, 10MB (2MB Chip, 8MB Fast)
Fried/Dead unexpanded A1200

>
> As far as i thought i knew, ppc software would have to be recoded for
G4....
> thus a Wipeout bundle would be useless unless DI are planning a reprogram
of
> the thing.... and i haven't heard that at all......
>

I think only to optimize the thing more...otherwise old 603e owners on the
Mac would
have been buggered!

Michael

> > In even simpler terms, make Phase5 bundle 2097 with the G-whatever
boards,
> > please, thankyou.
>
> LOL! WO2097 uses WarpUP and Warp3D....Phase5 bundling s/w that uses its
> nemesis' kernel!! 8-)
>
Having said that Commodore bundled alot of games which were'nt OS
friendly...I will
let you guess what they are though...

Michael

> now, the trouble....WO2097 uses WarpUP, as do a lot of other PPC
> programs..Phase5 could b real arses (like they hav been recently with
> the latest FlashUpdate) and disable WarpUP stuff (or, like recent
> update, cause nice utils like ppclibemu - which allows you to run
> powerup programs under warpup - to fail)
>
I dought this would ever happen....it would be like Microsoft building
a piece of code in windows to make it crash on all Intel based
processors....I
hope!!

Also if Phase 5 did this then they might get investigated by
someone.....like
what is currently happening to Microsoft..

By the way I can remember a linux distribution having the slogan 'Where do
you
want to be tomorrow?' like Phase 5's is....and Microsoft sueing them for it

Michael

> 1.  Is it possible to hold down a key while booting, to modify the boot
> process?  I have a second startup-sequence that I would like to execute
> instead of the normal one if I held down the Esc key, for example.  Can I
> add some commands at the very beginning of the normal startup-sequence to
> execute the other script if the Esc key is detected?
> 
There used to be a program called Key [something] which came with IDEFix
you could try using this...or make a very simple program in C or Blitz

Michael

> > If the idiots who frequent IRC knew me any better they'd know I
> > never go on
> > IRC...
> >
> > Ben Vost
>
> That's a rather sweeping generalisation don't you think? Or are you really
> calling me and a fairly good number of the other list members idiots?

Ben:

I have to ask, are you trying to decrease the number of readers of
AmigaFormat
or do you just enjoy insulting people?

Michael

Hello Paul

> Hello Again,
> 
> Is it just me whos system is falling apart or is anyone
> else having trouble writing to afb with Yam.

I've been using it for ages OK here

                 Cheers all the best

                       Ken 




  

Am I the only person here who hardly ever crashes?

I had the system lock up a few weeks ago, but that was a fault with the
power supply on my internal SCSI Zip drive - other than that - nothing.

I'm not online with it, and don't have a PPC/Graphics card - could this be
why?

Hi,

I haven't been on since yesterday afternoon, so excuse me if I repeat
something somebody has already said.

Alan wrote in reply to Matt's comments (which I too commented on)...

[Matt] 
> > It looks like H&P are going to port it whether we buy OS3.5 or not.
> > It looks like we've been taken for a ride of pity and sympathy by
> > those bastards at Amiga and Haage & Partner.. they were going to
> > support the 3.6/4.0 transition ANYWAY, they just want it to get
> > decent sales anyway.
> 
[Alan]
> no. fixes and small updates were on the cards. but a complete OS4.0
> product? Only if the sales of OS3.5 are good enough

Like I say, we can not be *complacent* about this issue.  What if H&P
*do* turn around and say sales were poor and there will be no OS
updates.  Then we can only blame ourselves, we cannot take *any more*
risks at this very late and delicate stage the Amiga is in.

So I suggest if you can afford it, buy it,  because we can't risk the
thought of no OS updates *ever* again.  If you can't afford, fair
enough, that's not your fault and we all understand.  Come on we're
meant to be the wonderful Amiga Community, so lets show some support!

(Maybe Ben's comments on a old AFCD in his POV column in Ben_Speaks
were correct about the Amiga Community :(  )

All The Best ,

Nick.

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:12:13 -0000, Matthew Wise (matthew@wise25.swinternet.co.uk) wrote:
> 1.  Is it possible to hold down a key while booting, to modify the boot
> process?  I have a second startup-sequence that I would like to execute
> instead of the normal one if I held down the Esc key, for example.  Can I
> add some commands at the very beginning of the normal startup-sequence to
> execute the other script if the Esc key is detected?

I've got a utility (off aminet) called GetQual.  Not only does it check for
mouse buttons, but also the main keys too.

It's far better than the CheckMouse utilitity I wrote and uploaded to
aminet ages ago, cos that just checks for mouse buttons.

Kev

-- 
Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 14701124

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:46:14 +0200, Patrice Champarou (pmchamp@club-internet.fr) wrote:
> Hello redvers@bigfoot.com

Hi Patrice ....

> On 23-Nov-99, you wrote:
> 
> > Ben asked for a one liner on OS3.5 to be mailed to Clare Hatfield, which 5
> > people (including myself) sent. 
> 
>   Great, you'll be quoted as a pioneer :)

Me, a pioneer?  As long as I don't have to trek across the American plains
on a horse ...

> > Apathy seemed to have affected the other
> > 850 or so people on here, so Ben (rightly so IMHO) had a go at everyone.
> 
>   Well, I was willing to send something in the first place, but I felt so
> incompetent that I decided to ask  a  few questions to the list before I
> did.  Never got any answer,  even from you :)

I must have been at work ... ;)

> > All of a sudden we're getting essay after essay on what people think of
> > it, sent to the list, and some of it is quite frankly not what you'd want
> > printed in an international magazine with your name next to it! :-)
> 
>   I suppose the editor will be clever enough to choose what he thinks
> is worth publishing, and even feel free to select paragraphs that might 
> be of some interest :)

I presume that's what he'll do, but he might still end up with some ugly
blank gaps.  Now if 10% of the afb subscribers (ie 85 people) just wrote
one or two lines, there'd not be the problem ....  :-/

> > The worst part is, the original five of us who did reply are going to look
> > bad in comparison as we only wrote one line and not half a page!
> 
>    Well, one line expressing a sensible opinion is better than a ten-line 
> propaganda message. Who are you blaming BTW? If you had 40 
> more lines to add, you could have sent them to the list as well :)

The reason I got in a huff about it all is because I was at work and having
to read through my mailbox using U-net's webmail.  I just got rather fed up
of wading through huge messages people had sent direct to afb as opposed to
Clare Hatfield as Ben requested.  Hence my post.
 
>   Patrice - adding smileys everywhere from now on :)

You trying not to antagonise me or something?  :)

Kev

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On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:55:03 +0000, Ben Vost (ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk) wrote:
> Hi Gary,
> 
> > does anyone know if their is a CD-I player for the Amiga? A friend has
> > access to them, but no way of seeing them, and it would be good to show
> > him on the Amiga.
> 
> Do you mean to play back the VideoCDs created for the CD-I? In that case,
> not really. You could hook up a FMV unit to a CD32...

I don't suppose you've got a spare one of those that I can have, Ben?

Didn't think so ....

Are CD-I video CDs the same as the normal ones that you can also play on
PC's?  If so, then IsisPPC is meant to be able to play them but it doesn't
work on my A4000  :-/

Kev

-- 
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> On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
>=20
> > One which PCs and the N64 did away with YONKS ago, and
> > only recently that Monkey Catching game took advantage
> > of - ANALOGUE JOYSTICKS.
>=20
> dual-shock/analogue 3D control was used way before Ape Escape

Ape Escape is the only one I've played that uses it for something
good. Pick any 3D platformer on the Playstation. Does it use the
analog pad? No.

Driving games you say? How lame.
 =20
> > IMO it would bring nothing to the Amiga apart from ANOTHER
> > crap game to not play..
>=20
> isolated opinion..as the sales figures of TR and its merchandise =
would
> testify

Testify that there are a lot of gullible teenagers around with
Playstations and =A349 to spare every 6 months?

--=20
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk=20
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

 
> Bloody VNG crashing me. It always shafts my clock! :( 1978 my 
> arse......

Go and get Atomic from Aminet and attach it to your Miami or
Genesis 'online' event. It'll reset your clock using the
atomic clock servers around the world, and you'll never have
to worry about those silly crashes ever again.

Your battery might be failing, too BTW :)

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

There, I sent a whole load of my stuff in last night, so I hope you like
it.

btw, what kind of resolution do you print at? What size picture would
take up about half a page in the gallery?

-curry
-- 
I used to have a funny tag line, but some one stole it =(

On 23 Nov 1999, Daniel Thornton wrote:

> And drop the Reader-Requests drawer and amalgamate it with the serious
> and games drawers; it'd be a lot easier to find stuff then.

?? what? A reader requests a PDF viewer....so apdf goes into reader
request drawer...far better than apdf hiding away in the serious
drawer..where it could live in any number of subdirectories

alan

> I think they mean Denise....stupid PC know nothing want-to-be nerds
> with their sad little lives locked away in the cupboard and only
released
> when a new Pentium chip is on the market so they can waste their time
and
> money on it!!!!!!!

I agree totally with your comment; PC users only care about larger
numbers. As Jim Collas said, there is no innovation in that market.

Paul

On Tue, Nov 23, 1999 at 08:29:27PM -0000, Michael wrote:

> I would rather buy a A4000 with PPC than a PC running shit emulation
> software!

Ah, that's ok then - UAE is very good emulation software :)

> I have seen an A4000 for 180 with 40MHZ 040..nice...if the BoXeR never
> comes!

But astonishingly slow compared to the vast majority of machines sold
today...

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

Hi Michael,

> How come Future's mags for the Playstation still have cloths and
> stuff...from what
> I can remember!

Because they have 350,000 readers...

All the best,
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On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Michael wrote:

> would be scared you are facing compition from AmigaActive and The Big Issue!

does this mean that i cant start selling AF outside Brighton station?
yay! ;-)

alan

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> Ape Escape is the only one I've played that uses it for something
> good. Pick any 3D platformer on the Playstation. Does it use the
> analog pad? No.

Croc, crash, Jersey Devil etc etc
=20
> Driving games you say? How lame.

aye...but take some of the other games instead...G-police, Colony wars
  =20
> Testify that there are a lot of gullible teenagers around with
> Playstations and =A349 to spare every 6 months?

49 quid? who buys PSX games for that much? most new releases can be
bought for 29.99 or less

alan

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Andrew McCombe wrote:

> Am I the only person here who hardly ever crashes?

nope
 
> I'm not online with it, and don't have a PPC/Graphics card - could this be
> why?

nope ;-) I'm online, with PPC/BVision. just a nice, clean system. its
amazing what junk people run!

alan

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Michael wrote:

> I dought this would ever happen....it would be like Microsoft building
> a piece of code in windows to make it crash on all Intel based
> processors....I hope!!

well, they [Ralph, not sure its sanctioned by Phase5] keeps his WarpOS
fight up
 
> By the way I can remember a linux distribution having the slogan 'Where do
> you
> want to be tomorrow?' like Phase 5's is....and Microsoft sueing them for it

they couldnt...as their phrase is different 8-)

alan

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Michael wrote:

> Having said that Commodore bundled alot of games which were'nt OS
> friendly...I will
> let you guess what they are though...

theres a lot of difference between OS-friendly (and early A500 games
werent...by standard!) and having a game that cant run on a card. let me
give a hint here...there is no WarpOS support for the Phase5 G4
cards...yet...and there *might* never be...it cant be said yet

alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Michael wrote:

> I have seen an A4000 for =A3180 with 40MHZ 040..nice...if the BoXeR never

where??

alan

hi,

> My final comment, OS3.5 was a waste of time and money, since
installing
> it I've
> had no benefit what so ever from it, apart from having some VERY NICE
> looking
> icons on my OPUS Magellan desktop.

well, with DOpus, you wont feel any of the Workbench changes - you've
got DOpus doing the GUI work. however, you do get all the bug fixes.

AmigaOS does hell of a lot more than CGX4 - which cost me almost the
same ;-)

alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Michael wrote:

> You seem to be suggesting that we should emulate a Amiga rather than buying
> a BoXeR...or are you just commenting on the lateness of the BoXeR?

commenting on the lateness. I'd never settle for an emulation solution

alan

On 24 Nov 1999, Oliver Roberts wrote:

> Yay!  Something IB2 can do better than V3 :)  More specifically, IB2
> using MiamiSSL allowed me to complete my application - just got to
> wait 14 days for them to snail-mail my account details.

:-) well, I'm gettign used to using V3 *and* IB2 for my web stuff these
days.

used V3 last night to buy the RollerCoaster Tycoon datadisk from special
reserve for my girlfriend
 
> FYI, the SSL cipher used when accessing the site was ARCFOUR-MD5 -
> I guess V3 does not support that???

dunno...v3 was using something similar via its SSL

alan 

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Michael wrote:

> I think its better planning to plan something before rather than after which
> seems to be
> your reasoning...Do think Sega's Dreamcast would have succedded without alot
> of careful
> planning?...I don't

seevral differences here. one is timerelease slippage..Phase5 are
notorious for it...more than a year late in several cases..whereas
SEGA,Sony, nintendo et al work for their dates. also, i would say the
dreamcast has succeeded...yet

alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Michael wrote:

> Yes I agree...though the music made the game I though....the prodigy really
> went well with Wipeout...being able to nodd you head to firstarter while
> trying to
> come first with raper (or whatever!) really please me

play the Amiga version with the PSX CDROM in the drive then - same
effect! ;-)

alan

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Matthew Garrett wrote:

> But astonishingly slow compared to the vast majority of machines sold
> today...

so...tell me, what PC would I have to buy to get 40Mhz 040 Amiga
performance under emulation..with sound, serial and AGA.
compare this to 180 ukp

alan

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Michael wrote:

> OK Ben if you aren't closing why has the magazine turned in a panthlet!....I
> would be scared you are facing compition from AmigaActive and The Big Issue!

AF is still thicker than both those ;-)

alan

> Am I the only person here who hardly ever crashes?

No, this can't be...

> I had the system lock up a few weeks ago, but that was a fault with
the
> power supply on my internal SCSI Zip drive - other than that -
nothing.
> 
> I'm not online with it, and don't have a PPC/Graphics card - could
this be
> why?

I can't see how being online could affect an Amiga's stability, though
the added complexity of a PPC or GFX card could make an Amiga
less-stable than a bog-standard one.

Paul

Hi DAVID,

> the system a good idea.  Hope this helps you and is a day a long enough
> time to give people to reply to such a request I personally only came
> across it about 22.30 on the 23rd.

Nope. the original request was sent out friday afternoon.

All the best,
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Hi Andrew,

> Am I the only person here who hardly ever crashes?

> I had the system lock up a few weeks ago, but that was a fault with the
> power supply on my internal SCSI Zip drive - other than that - nothing.

> I'm not online with it, and don't have a PPC/Graphics card - could this be
> why?

Well, the only reason that my machine at home has only be up since Saturday
is because of the fact that I only got it back Friday. This machine at work
has been switched on since I came back from Japan in the middle of
October...

All the best,
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